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    THIRD graders plan to kill teacher

    This is about 50 miles from where I live. My kid is in 3rd grade but I can't see her having the thought of killing anyone. ELEVEN students in total... This is beyond me... These kids are in Special Education classes.. JESUS. more links below:

    Third-graders-- Police questioned a group of 8- and 9-year-olds at an elementary school in Waycross. WEAPONS: A broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and a paperweight were seized.


    WAYCROSS, Ga. - Police questioned a group of third-graders suspected in a plot to kill their teacher at Center Elementary School on Monday, apparently because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair.

    School officials rounded up the students Friday morning and alerted police after another pupil tipped off a teacher that a girl, the suspected mastermind, had brought a weapon to school, Police Chief Tony Tanner said.

    Police seized a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape, electrical and transparent tape, ribbons and a crystal paperweight from the students, who apparently intended to use them against the teacher, Tanner said.

    "We estimate between six to nine students were involved. ... We're not sure at this point in the investigation how many of the students actually knew the intent was to hurt the teacher," Tanner said.

    The plot was a serious threat, he said.

    "They definitely took steps toward the goal of hurting the teacher, but whether they would have carried through on it had there not been intervention, we can't say for sure," Tanner said.

    The parents of the students have cooperated with investigators who, by law, can't question the children without their parents' or guardians' consents, he said.

    The target was Belle Carter, a veteran educator who teaches third-grade students with learning disabilities in a contained classroom setting, colleagues, friends and parents said. Teachers and parents at the school said Carter taught students with a range of learning disabilities, including attention deficit disorder, delayed development and hyperactivity.

    All of the children under suspicion are students in her class, they said.

    Carter was at work Monday and didn't immediately respond to a Times-Union request for an interview, which was relayed to her by Theresa Martin, spokeswoman for the Ware County school system.

    Carter, widely respected for her teaching and dedication to students, is scheduled to retire at the end of the school year.

    The preliminary investigation showed a desire for revenge may have been the motive for the plot, Tanner said. Apparently the teacher had chastised the female student about standing on a chair, he said.

    The plot apparently began taking shape last week, and the students may have begun bringing the items to school Thursday, he said.

    It's unknown where the students got the idea, Tanner said.

    Citing privacy laws, school administrators released no information about any prior disciplinary problems involving the students.

    "From what I understand, they were considered pretty good kids," Martin said. "But we have to take this seriously, whether they were serious or not about carrying this through, and that's what we did."

    Police hoped to complete their investigation Monday afternoon and will forward the results to prosecutors, Tanner said. But prosecutors' hands may be tied in the case because children in Georgia can't be charged with a crime unless they are at least 13, District Attorney Rick Currie said.

    A juvenile court judge can declare those younger than 13 delinquent, but Georgia has no detention facilities for anyone as young as the third-graders, Currie said.

    Martin said administrators would follow school system policy and state law in disciplining the students.

    Four mothers of other third-grade students at Center Elementary called for the immediate expulsion of the suspected plotters.

    Stacy Carter and Deana Hiott both cited school system policy stating that any student who brings "anything reasonably considered to be a weapon" is to be expelled for at least the remainder of the school year.

    "We don't want our children around them," said Carter, who learned about the incident from a teacher at the school Friday night. "The one with the knife could have stabbed my child or someone else's child at lunch or out on the playground."

    Belle Carter and Stacy Carter are not related.

    The suspects shouldn't receive leniency because they have a learning disability, Hiott said.

    "These kids, if they come back to school, what have they learned? That they can plan to kill their teacher and get away with it. That's not right," Hiott said.

    The women said they took their children to school Monday only after their teacher promised to keep her classroom door locked and keep them safe.

    The four also demanded that county schools Superintendent Joseph Barrow explain why parents weren't notified until Sunday night, when they received a brief automated message from the school's principal.

    Barrow was attending a meeting Monday in Atlanta. Martin met individually with the mothers.

    Police were alerted Friday morning "without any undue delay," Tanner said.

    With 500 students and 80 staff members, Center Elementary School is recognized as a Distinguished School by the Georgia Department of Education because its students have met annual academic achievement standards for the past six consecutive years.

    Violence is rare, and the plot is the first of its kind at any Ware County school, according to law enforcement officials and school system records.

    A steady stream of parents dropped off their children for classes Monday morning.

    "This is an isolated incident, an aberration. ... We have good kids," said Center Principal Angie Coleman who, like police officials and school system administrators, struggled Monday to make sense of the incident.

    Coleman said counselors were present should the students and staff need them.

    "This incident surprised me. It surprised all of us," Tanner said.

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    #2
    Wow, that's completely insane
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      #3
      Tell me about it. I also live approximately 50 miles from Waycross. I am west of them.
      Apache

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        #4
        they just keep getting younger and younger, first it was college students then high school, then Junior high, now grade schoolers.... this is ridiculous
        I lived 2 miles away from Columbine High school when the shootings happend back in 98. It makes me sick that kids would think this kind of stuff up and see it through!
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          #5
          It make me wonder what the hell is wrong parents in these times that kids can go this far. I've seen bloody movies and games since the time I was probably 5 or 6. I remember watching Predator with my dad and brother when I was 6 and he was 4. I've never felt the urge to go out and blow someone away, even if I'm depressed or angry. I mean, someone of it could be a chemical imbalance or just a sociopathic personality, but in all honesty, I think a lot of the cases out there have to deal with the parents in some way shape or form.
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            #6
            Which begs the question.....How many third graders can you beat up?

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              #7
              Originally posted by mapes View Post
              Which begs the question.....How many third graders can you beat up?
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                #8
                Originally posted by mapes View Post
                Which begs the question.....How many third graders can you beat up?
                That depends on how many times they have repeated the third grade.
                Apache

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mapes View Post
                  Which begs the question.....How many third graders can you beat up?

                  Could you imagine this ACTUALLY happening to you.

                  I would be punting 3rd graders all over the room
                  Oh did I say that out loud

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                    #10
                    those little rascals... always up to something.

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                      #11
                      Must've been Hitler's reincarnate!!

                      Like, to be honest, I seriously doubt doubt all of them would have gone through with it. Most of them would've freaked out at the first sight of violence or blood. But one of them was for real and was out to get her. I think that's the kid with the real problem. . .
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                        #12
                        Yeah... but these kids are in the "special" class. That's what makes it so crazy. Could you imagine what the outrage would be if these kids had actually went through with the attack and tried to stab the teacher and she got medieval on their asses. The parents would have had a completely different outlook on it ... I think even the parents who said "I dont want my kids in the same school with these sociopaths." would probably have not believed the teacher...especially since she was about to retire.

                        If my little girl came home and told me that the teacher started using students as a racquetball I'd go hunt the teacher down without suspicion of what happened here. You know the other kids in the class were going WTH?

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                          #13
                          Well, I'm going to say this once and it's only my opinion, but I'm pretty damn sure I'm right.
                          Our society is becoming more and more of a severly dis-functional family in America.
                          It all started when judges quit judging and going by the letter of the law. Let me explain!
                          The minute a judge allowed a parent to come in the court room and file suit against a school because they punished their child, who needed it I might add, we started going down hill from that point on.
                          Now don't get me wrong, there were cases where teachers were maybe abusing the punishment, but let me also say, when my butt got a whipping in school, I also got one from Mom, Dad, my grandma... This of course was after a lot of questioning to determine if I deserved it and if I didn't my Dad and Mom would have went to the school to resolve it and it would have been resolved. This of course was never the case in my few occurances, because the only couple of times I got a spanking in school I did deserve it and I didn't make the mistake of repeating it.
                          Get the picture! We have lost the bubble on teaching our children their actions have consenquences and now our children that this all started with are raising children and their are not learning actions have consequences.
                          People this is not going to get better, it's going to get worse, mark my words. You ain't seen nothing yet.
                          We have become a society that wants our children to learn as much as they can as young as they can, but we don't want to teach them the most important basic principles to guide them in the use of all that knowledge because it might hurt their feelings, boo hooo.
                          BS, beat that childs ass when they need it. Don't abuse them, but have them go wait and make them wait for about 15 minutes, then go after you've calmed down and talk to them for 5 to 15 minutes. Don't over due it just enough to get the message across without losing their attention. Then the hardest part, spank them.
                          Let me also add I understand the individuals that didn't come from a good home and were really abused as a child and they say they don't want their child to go thru that. Well let me give you a bit of advice folks, buck up and pull your help out of your self pitying ass. My wife was one of those children and you can't give me some story that was any worse than her's. With my help we hopefully taught our daughter well enough and we didn't spare the rod and spoil the child.
                          I didn't realize what my Dad meant by telling me it was going to hurt him more than me, but he was right. Even though you don't want to do it, it hurts to have to disipline them watch them cry and not coddle them to make them feel better.
                          I''m not going to say I've raised the best kid in the world, but she does know right from wrong. Wheather or not she makes it in life, or winds up being a serial killer, I don't know. I just hope I've done a good enough job she'll contribute to society and make a difference somehow.
                          I don't know what else to say, but I do know I'm right and I'm by no means saying everyone in the U.S. is guilty of not teaching their kids right, but I am going to say, it's going to get worse before it get's better and I can't tell you how we can fix it.

                          Cheers
                          DougBob

                          P.S. Let me add a quick note about the kids in this case, if they were only ADD or ADHD don't give me that as an excuse. My kid was ADD or what ever the hell they call it and it's BS. If I realized then what I know now, she would have never taken any medicine and I would have done like my brother and sister in law and told the school to shut the hell up and teach them.
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                            #14
                            /applause, perfect response DougBob. Couldn't have said it better. I'm not a parent but I agree with you 100%
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by DougBob
                              We have become a society that wants our children to learn as much as they can as young as they can,

                              I agree with everything your saying except this. As it just not true the amount funding schools get is poop....in fact in my state (CA) massive cuts are about to happen.... No new taxes...my ass Might as well say crappy schools too!

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