Joe the Plumber

[Skud]

a plant?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7675278.stm

Reminds me a little of another plant from a few years back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

[Hammy]

And yet its the Democrats that started touting him first despite his Republican views...

Conspiracy!

[Duke{CLR}]

Plant or not it doesn't make his point wrong.

[Jeffro]

plant or not i really liked how obama handled this one.

[Duke{CLR}]

plant or not i really liked how obama handled this one.

How so?

[LIMEY]

plant or not i really liked how obama handled this one.

By saying he wants to re-distribute his wealth?????

[ViTO]

It will be nice to know that when I make my millions from very hard work and personal great sacrifice...... it could be re-distributed to those whom the goverment feels would benefit more.

Yeah... I'm OK wit dat !!! :roll:


Oh crap.........that was such a broad stroke statement, forgive me.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/vitopagano/no_bama.jpg

[Skud]

Is that if he, and Jeff Gannon, among others, are planted as legitimate citizens, reporters, or whatnot, and it is little more than propaganda. His borderline of being taxed more, which he admits he's nowhere near making $250 grand (after the fictitious question is raised), is rare enough that a plant apparently had to be found to fit the situation...I suppose with hopes that the truth about Joe not come out until after the election...

Putting a plant in this situation is no different than voter fraud, to me...no matter which side did it. I heard an interview with someone who had lived through the worst times in communist Russia. They said that at least there the propaganda is so over the top that you know it's propaganda. Well, anyway, that's some of what bothers me on this one. It's about honesty...not doing whatever it takes to win...but doing what's right. :|

[Hammy]

So what are you disputing?

That he's a plumber?

That he needs a business loan to buy the business he has worked for 10+ years?

That there is a state named Ohio?

Or that there is something to be said that is of genuine public opinion that
sounds intelligent without the repackaging of media organizations?

Or perhaps that 100% of the co-workers I have spoken with in Ohio, where my company has its' world headquarters, have said that it will be a cold day in hell before they vote Democrat?

It's never fair and it's always a conspiracy whenever the other team wins- hanging chads and all.....

[Skud]

So what are you disputing?

That he's a plumber?

That he needs a business loan to buy the business he has worked for 10+ years?

That there is a state named Ohio?

Or that there is something to be said that is of genuine public opinion that
sounds intelligent without the repackaging of media organizations?

Or perhaps that 100% of the co-workers I have spoken with in Ohio, where my company has its' world headquarters, have said that it will be a cold day in hell before they vote Democrat?

It's never fair and it's always a conspiracy whenever the other team wins- hanging chads and all.....


Well, if you read the article, there are a few things:

"A week earlier, he had confronted Mr Obama at a rally, questioning the Democratic candidate on tax plans that would see him taxed more if a plumbing business he hoped to buy earned more than $250,000 a year.

He was held by Mr McCain in the debate as an example of an every day hard-working American who would be penalised by Mr Obama's tax policy.

However, a bit of media digging has uncovered that Mr Wurzelbacher's first name is actually Samuel and he does not have a plumber's licence, although the company he works for does.

According to Tony Herrera, of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 50 in Toledo, Ohio, Mr Wurzelbacher cannot practise in Toledo without a licence - although he can work for someone with a master's licence or in outlying areas that do not require a licence.

According to local court records, Mr Wurzelbacher also owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax.

Mr Wurzelbacher acknowledged he did not have a plumber's licence and admitted in one interview he was "not even close" to earning $250,000."

So, his name is not "Joe". He is not a licensed plumber. And he makes nowhere near enough to be affected by Obama's tax plan, as he claimed to be so afraid of. To me that is more than enough dishonesty to turn my stomach....Look at it as you'd like, Hammy. Maybe it is a cold day in Hell.

[(DSP)-Bar]

It will be nice to know that when I make my millions from very hard work and personal great sacrifice...... it could be re-distributed to those whom the goverment feels would benefit more.

Yeah... I'm OK wit dat !!! :roll:


I thought the government had already invented welfare ? :?

[Hammy]

I still dont understand.

You see I dont think your real name is Skud. Therefore, I dont think any of your opinions are real.

Just like we can invalidate the opinions of Joe because his real name is Samuel.

[ViTO]

http://shop.cafepress.com/joe-the-plumber. :roll:


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/vitopagano/jitcrunchaspx.jpg

[warlock2411]

http://shop.cafepress.com/joe-the-plumber. :roll:


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/vitopagano/jitcrunchaspx.jpg

if im correct Joe the Plumber said that he was leaning towards McCain after the debate.. but we need to leave this guy alone.. The democrats realized obama made a mistake and now are realising all of this mans personal information to try to discredit him so people can say "oh this guy doesn't even have his plumbers license." he asked a hypothetical question and had the right to ask it, and obama had the right to decline if he wanted to.. he didn't.. personally i lost all respect for Biden what he has been saying about this whole thing.. i had little for him in the first place just for being involved in the RIAA..

either way Joe the Plumber will be on Huckabee tonight on Fox news...

[Hammy]

Let us not forget the student that accosted Palin that seem a little bit like Planters Peanuts too.

Come to think of it- Jimmy Carter loved Planters Peanuts....he was the first planter?

[Duke{CLR}]

Here is an article about his record being accessed I know nothing about the Columbus Dispatch. If this turns out to be true I would hope someone is held accountable. Questioning someone for running for persident should not be a reason to search his records.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101

[jaspurr]

Here is an article about his record being accessed I know nothing about the Columbus Dispatch. If this turns out to be true I would hope someone is held accountable. Questioning someone for running for persident should not be a reason to search his records.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101

+1...Absolutely agree. Politics at it's worse and they wonder why the guy tried to stay anonymous with a false name what what he was saying appears fundamentally correct had he or anyone else earned $250k.

[HSDragon]

Actually, the man's name really is Joe, his middle name is Joseph.

[mapes]

The way I see it in this debate (not about Joe but, about redistribution of wealth). Your either a supply side person or a demand side person. Tax breaks for businesses and capitol gains tax cuts= supply, Easing tax burden on middle class =demand side.

[Duke{CLR}]

The way I see it in this debate (not about Joe but, about redistribution of wealth). Your either a supply side person or a demand side person. Tax breaks for businesses and capitol gains tax cuts= supply, Easing tax burden on middle class =demand side.

Well if the cost of doing business goes up the cost will eventually be passed on to the consumer. So people in the middle get it from either the government or by increased cost. I can always choose not to buy certain things but I can't avoid taxes.

[LIMEY]

I am glad people are focusing on people like Joe the plumber and completely ignore things like Obama's attendance with Bill Ayres at a party to say farewell to a known PLO member. MY LORD ARE WE SCREWED!

[Duke{CLR}]

I am glad people are focusing on people like Joe the plumber and completely ignore things like Obama's attendance with Bill Ayres at a party to say farewell to a known PLO member. MY LORD ARE WE SCREWED!

Exactly! The media will probe into the lives of anyone who dares question Obama but when the LA time has a video of Obama at theat party you mentioned and they wont relese it.

If they wont hold Obama accountable now they certainly wont if he gets elected.

[LIMEY]

Exactly! The media will probe into the lives of anyone who dares question Obama but when the LA time has a video of Obama at theat party you mentioned and they wont relese it.

If they wont hold Obama accountable now they certainly wont if he gets elected.

Can you imagine if this had been McCain, he would have been crushed by now! Complicit media and sheeple populous = screwed country! If Obama was treated EQUALLY by the press then this election would be a landslide and I mean 25 points!

[Hammy]

If Joe Plumber wasnt caucasian, would anyone look into his background and skewer him so publically for being a loser that doesnt have a license?

You see, most contractors dont have the licenses in most states. My family owned a large data wiring company, and we learned through working with our partners that one person holds the license, and collectively the non-license holders pay for the insurance.

It's a 1:1 ratio- if you have a business license, in most states, you will lose that license if you dont have business insurance equal to some large amount that most individual small businesses cant pay.

So legally, you can work under another persons' license, and that license covers your work for insurance, and the insured covers you.

So again, I wonder if we would be having the same conversation if Joe weren't caucasian- but then again I'm not a big fan of what if's. There are plenty of those in the world that we can come up with, and in the end, those are just crutches (no offense to anyone who brings up the what if).

:2thumbs:Plumbers Crack FTW!!!:2thumbs:

[warlock2411]

he was on fox news talking the other night about how in a year he will have his plumbers license.. not like you can go right out and get it.. :roll: the guy is currently and apprentice i guess you could say.

and hammy you're right.. if Joe the Plumber were any other race this would not have happened to him.. and i agree with limey.. if the media treated Obama fairly and reported a bunch of the crap i and a lot of other people who actually look up info for them selves read.. mccain would definitely be ahead in this election.. especially in places like Pennsylvania.

[Duke{CLR}]

The Columbus Dispatch : Checks on 'Joe' more extensive than first acknowledged (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/29/joe30.html?sid=101)

Here is happens to an average guy who dares to ask a simple question. Going into his background is a disgrace especially when government computers were used. The media wanted to make the story abut Joe instead of Obamas socialist ideas.