Palin's status on technology

[Trooper110]

Not a whole lot of information, but there's some good stuff there. I'd like to hear more about it from her before making any decisions though.

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[mapes]

Considering we pay for Alaska's entire infrastructure I'm not really that impressed.

[Hammy]

Considering we pay for Alaska's entire infrastructure I'm not really that impressed.

Can you please expand on that? Im not sure I understand what you said.

[jeffro74]

shes got my vote:D

[Thrashdragon]

She named one of her kids "Van" so his name, Van Palin, would rhyme with Van Halen.

In the absence of any real candidates in this election, she and McCain get my vote for that.

[DougBob]

Like Hammy said, need more input. Can you provide some information on this ?

[Duke{CLR}]

She named one of her kids "Van" so his name, Van Palin, would rhyme with Van Halen.

In the absence of any real candidates in this election, she and McCain get my vote for that.

Is this true? If so, she just keeps getting better and better. :2thumbs:

[BLAZE86]

Don't need more input, because simply put no one is going to be able to help America.

America is in the advanced stages of HIV... duh

I also heard America has herpes too.. ^^

[Duke{CLR}]

Don't need more input, because simply put no one is going to be able to help America.

America is in the advanced stages of HIV... duh

I also heard America has herpes too.. ^^

:scratch:

[K PhaNTOM]

:scratch:

+1 :scratch:

America also has herpes? She said she got tested, damn it! *goes to STD clinic*

[mapes]

Can you please expand on that? Im not sure I understand what you said.


They do not pay state taxes in Alaska. How do you think they pay for roads.... hospitals etc.... yes they pay some into as federal taxes but, they're entire states infrastructure is paid for by the federal government.

She took funds for the bridge to no where and then when the resulting media blitz asked wtf are we building a huge bridge to nowhere for 230 billion she veto'd the bridge but, kept the federal money.

It's kinda funny listening to McCain talk about if he was president he said "The first person who tried to get special earmarks passed before me I would make famous". He should look no further than his running mate.

I can't believe people are saying she has foreign experience because Alaska is close to Russia. That is like saying the governator has foreign experience because CA is close to Mexico....Well that one makes more sense due to sharing an actual border instead of a water border....


My main problem with her is Anti Choice and Creationist

[Hammy]

I'm just going to say that managing Alaska isnt as easy as you might think it would be.

I'll let everyone figure it out for themselves, but my bother was the NBC Sports Anchor in Anchorage Alaska for several years, on at 6 and 10pm for the news in the 1990's, so I know quite a bit about the state.

The federal support of Alaska doesnt bother me so much either. At least it isnt going out the back door with the illegal aliens who live in California. My tax money ends up in China or Mexico City on a regular basis. At least in Alaska, the people living there get full benefit.

Just my thoughts here, but Anti-Choice and Creationism arent really huge problems troubling the US right now. In fact, they have low impacts on things like balancing the budget, trade deficits and foreign policy relations that would help us fix the budget and trade deficits.

What I have seen her do is cut specific portions of Alaskan budget BECAUSE their revenue as a state was so low. Doesnt really sound like they have an open check book to the Federal Economy if I look at it this way.

~Hammy

[jeffro74]

they have to pay people to live there.:D

[{CLR} Naillik]

they have to pay people to live there.:D

True enough, at least across the border lol.
Unless people are born up where my dad works, they don't stay unless the get payed a ton. A mid class plumber can make $200,000 CDN solo each year in places like Sax Harbor and Tuktoyuktuk. Trade skills and teachers are the highest payed jobs there...... and the jobs suck, lol.

Average hours for a construction worker are 6-10 along with almost constant expansion and injury, not to mention the nasty 40 degree celcius weather in the summer, and the -40 - -50 celcius in the winter.

[mapes]

How about we ignore the religious angle here. That is more of a personal argument anyways.

Ignoring the immigrant/cash flow issue cause there's data that goes both ways on that one (i.e fake SS numbers for one example) also it's off topic.

The point I was making is about foreign experience....A better analogy would be like saying Obama has foreign experience cause Chicago is near to Canada.

If we wanna talk about management skills let me put it this way. Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska. The population of Alaska is 1/7th of that of New York city....I'm not impressed. I can't believe I'm saying this but, I'd rather see Rudy on the ticket....

Also as an aside I just watched Enron the smartest guy's in the room. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. It's really good investigative reporting (no Micheal Moore crap)which leads me on to my next point. One of my major problems with the Republicans is the De-Regulation cry. Enron came into being initially cause Regan did away with Natural Gas regulation. I live in CA and I $#%$#@ pissed at the people who were directly and indirectly responsible for the Enron disaster. I went through the damn rolling blackouts... Those scum we're playing with the power system to drive up rates. Old people died from over heating during all this...It's a @#!$%! outage. In case you didn't know either it was the Republican that pushed through measures De-Regulating the Finance sector resulting in our current mess of sub-prime and most likely a recession. Generally Republicans are against regulation and I can totally understand that however there has to be some type of middle ground. Some minor amount of regulation to prevent the gross abuses.

[mapes]

Nope no special earmarks here...or truth



Speaking in Lebanon, Ohio today, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin repeated her frequently debunked lie on the "bridge to nowhere," which originated in her speech to the Republican National Convention last Wednesday. As the crowd cheered, Palin (falsely) recounted how she told the U.S. Congress "thanks but no thanks" for the project that has become a symbol of wasteful government spending.

Virtually every media outlet -- from the Wall Street Journal to FactCheck.org -- that has investigated the claim has found it to be a wholesale fiction. Though Palin did abandon her onetime support for the bridge after winning Alaska's governorship, she did so only after federal dollars dried up. Moreover, she kept the federal funds already given to Alaska.

Yet Palin still continues to use the line in each and every stump speech. In response, the Obama campaign is turning to humor. "On the same day that dozens of news organizations have exposed Governor Palin's phony Bridge to Nowhere claim as a 'naked lie,' she and John McCain continue to repeat the claim in their stump speeches. Maybe tomorrow she'll tell us she sold it on eBay," said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.

The eBay dig is a reference to another tall tale from the McCain-Palin campaign -- the idea that the governor sold a luxury jet online. Palin herself has scrupulously avoided saying outright that she sold the plane on eBay -- merely saying that she "put" it on eBay. But McCain himself strayed into the realm of untruth last week by claiming that Palin not only "sold it" through the online auction site, but also did so "at a profit." In fact, the eBay auction was a failure, and Alaska had to sell the plane offline, at a $600,000 loss.

[Hammy]

How about we ignore the religious angle here. That is more of a personal argument anyways.

Ignoring the immigrant/cash flow issue cause there's data that goes both ways on that one (i.e fake SS numbers for one example) also it's off topic.

The point I was making is about foreign experience....A better analogy would be like saying Obama has foreign experience cause Chicago is near to Canada.

If we wanna talk about management skills let me put it this way. Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska. The population of Alaska is 1/7th of that of New York city....I'm not impressed. I can't believe I'm saying this but, I'd rather see Rudy on the ticket....

Also as an aside I just watched Enron the smartest guy's in the room. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. It's really good investigative reporting (no Micheal Moore crap)which leads me on to my next point. One of my major problems with the Republicans is the De-Regulation cry. Enron came into being initially cause Regan did away with Natural Gas regulation. I live in CA and I $#%$#@ pissed at the people who were directly and indirectly responsible for the Enron disaster. I went through the damn rolling blackouts... Those scum we're playing with the power system to drive up rates. Old people died from over heating during all this...It's a @#!$%! outage. In case you didn't know either it was the Republican that pushed through measures De-Regulating the Finance sector resulting in our current mess of sub-prime and most likely a recession. Generally Republicans are against regulation and I can totally understand that however there has to be some type of middle ground. Some minor amount of regulation to prevent the gross abuses.

Mapes,

you brought up religion in your first response, I dont see any other references here to religion.

We understand, you hate anything Republican.

:2thumbs:

[mapes]

Mapes,

you brought up religion in your first response, I dont see any other references here to religion.

We understand, you hate anything Republican.

:2thumbs:

Please don't paint me as a hate monger. I have not and never will hate my country men. I am a proud American. We are the greatest nation on earth. However that's not to say that we can't improve. Our nation is made up of people. People can be flawed/greedy/corrupted sometimes. To ignore this fact is nothing short of cognitive dissonance. I am allowed to voice my views in this great country of ours as long as I am a peaceable tax paying citizen...which I am. Would it surprise you to know that I think the greatest president we ever had was a Republican? What I have a strong dislike of is lies, corruption and, unchecked avarice.


Just my thoughts here, but Anti-Choice and Creationism arent really huge problems troubling the US right now. In fact, they have low impacts on things like balancing the budget, trade deficits and foreign policy relations that would help us fix the budget and trade deficits.

You misunderstand me. I was agreeing with you that on some level arguing about religion is not productive.

[Hammy]

You have it all wrong - no one is painting anything in here. We tried to have a decent discussion and as usual it is turning into a quote fest.

I dont understand what your points are. You dont like the Republicans, so I will take the word 'hate' back.

I'm going to take my last statement back. What I mean to say, is that I dont think I can have this discussion with you. :D It's just too inflamatory to me.

[Skud]

Creationists think the world is what, 6,000 years old? I think they've given up on it being flat by now. She was a member of a pentacostal church in which the members were said to speak in tongues when "touched by the lord". She says "God approved of the Iraq War". Sounds a little bit like a good Taliban leader to me.

She's pro-life (and pro-war, capital punishment...hmmm) so that every child has the right to be born into poverty, live a life of crime, and be executed in the end.

She's been governor of our third smallest state for two years, and is running with a three time cancer survivor who's in his seventies.

None of these are the type of "change" I am looking forward to.

She supports the right to bear arms, which I do like, and that's about it. :|

[Thrashdragon]

Mapes,

Correct me if I'm wrong here, and I may very well be because I don't really pay all that much attention to California politics, but I was always under the impression that California's power problems were caused by the rampantly out-of-control left coast environmentalists fighting tooth and nail against any new power plant construction, while the state's population continued to expand far beyond the capacity of the power grid.

Wow that was a long sentence. Go me. :D

Anyway, just making the point that I've never seen California's blackouts blamed on gas prices, just on a lack of infrastructure.

We are running into a similar problem where I live, we are running out of power, and when an attempt was made to build a clean coal plant nearby, it got smacked down by ill-informed reactionaries. Every time I saw someone sporting a "Say No To Coal" bumper sticker I wanted to yank them out of their car and beat them to death with my $300 electric bill.

[Thrashdragon]

Is this true? If so, she just keeps getting better and better. :2thumbs:

Yup. :D

Trig Paxson Van Palin gets his unusual name from a number of sources. Grandfather Chuck Heath told KTUU in Anchorage that Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, and Paxson comes from a well-known snowmachining area in Alaska.

The middle name Van, however, may have the most interesting origin. Gov. Palin joked with an Anchorage Daily News reporter that she and Todd have "always liked the middle name Van because, you know, growing up in the '80s, Van Palin (which rhymes with rock band Van Halen) would be a really cool name."

[Skud]

[QUOTE=Thrashdragon;86039]Mapes,

Correct me if I'm wrong here, and I may very well be because I don't really pay all that much attention to California politics, but I was always under the impression that California's power problems were caused by the rampantly out-of-control left coast environmentalists fighting tooth and nail against any new power plant construction, while the state's population continued to expand far beyond the capacity of the power grid.

Deregulation of the utilities helped Enron, and their bankruptcy cost every tax payer thousands. Lack of government oversight also help predatory lenders, Fannie May and Freddie Mac, go belly up. Again the government is bailing out these guys, and guess who will foot the bill to that? Taxpayers. Corporate welfare. The tax breaks these guys get aren't really helping anyone but, well, these guys.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/09/news/economy/cbo_budget_update/index.htm?cnn=yes

[Thrashdragon]

And that has what to do with California's power shortages? I was just curious about that aspect of what Mapes said, please don't take that as a blanket defense of McCain/Palin.

I don't think anyone running in this election is worth a damn, but as I've said before, the prospect of Obama and Pelosi running things actively frightens me, so I'll pull the lever for McCain this time around.

[mapes]

And that has what to do with California's power shortages? I was just curious about that aspect of what Mapes said, please don't take that as a blanket defense of McCain/Palin.

I don't think anyone running in this election is worth a damn, but as I've said before, the prospect of Obama and Pelosi running things actively frightens me, so I'll pull the lever for McCain this time around.

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity?


What Enron did was buy and sell power. They started in gas then bought power plants and power distribution. They were intentionally shutting off power plants to cause shortages and drive up rates as an artificial scarcity. Thanks in part to California's 2000 deregulation bills passed through state Senate.

So in essence it was not California cereal (fruits, nuts, and flakes) that caused but Republican Deregulation and pure out n out greed. Heres a citition from Wiki (not the best source but, an ok place to start digging). It was know fact that CA had enough power generation capabilities to meet demand.

In October 2000, Daniel Scotto, the top ranked utility analyst on Wall Street, suspended his ratings on all energy companies conducting business in California due to the unlikely possibility that the companies would receive full and adequate compensation for the deferred energy accounts used as the cornerstone for the California Deregulation Plan enacted in the late 1990s. Five months later, Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) was forced into bankruptcy. Senator Phil Gramm, the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Enron, succeeded in legislating California's energy commodity trading deregulation. Despite warnings from prominent consumer groups which stated that this law would give energy traders too much influence over energy commodity prices, the legislation was passed in December 2000.

As Public Citizen reported, "Because of Enron’s new, unregulated power auction, the company’s 'Wholesale Services' revenues quadrupled—from $12 billion in the first quarter of 2000 to $48.4 billion in the first quarter of 2001."[7]

Before passage of the deregulation law, there had been only one Stage 3 rolling blackout declared. Following passage, California had a total of 38 blackouts defined as Stage 3 rolling blackouts, until federal regulators intervened in June 2001. These blackouts occurred mainly as a result of a poorly designed system that was manipulated by traders and marketers. Enron traders were revealed as intentionally encouraging the removal of power from the market during California's energy crisis by encouraging suppliers to shut down plants to perform unnecessary maintenance, as documented in recordings made at the time.[8] These acts contributed to the need for rolling blackouts, which adversely affected many businesses dependent upon a reliable supply of electricity, and inconvenienced a large number of retail consumers.

[mapes]

BTW sorry for getting all prickly Hammy

[Duke{CLR}]

From what little I know about the Enron crimes I would support hanging these guys down on Wall St. But it's no excuse to throw out the free market because of them.

Obama Biden represent big bloated government programs that are supposed to fix all the problems by taking money away from someone else. The programs do little to help those who are in need and just line the politicians pockets.

I do want to hear what Palin says about the bridge punch line she has been using and I'm sure over then next week she will be asked. The experience issue can be argued but if Obama had that much more then he wouldn't need to defend hi own. I think their experience is comparable. I'll take an everyday person over a Harvard grad any day.

Palin speaks to the conservative in me and that's why myself and so many others are excited for the first time in this election season. I want to hear someone take Obama to task when he talks to some elites in SF about people "clinging to their guns and religion" during tough times.

I have always voted for the most conservative candidate and unfortunately during my adult life there haven't been too many. I'll take one in the VP slot any day.

[mapes]

A couple of points where I need to correct myself

Firstly I misspoke when I said the population of Alaska was 7k what I meant to say was the population of the town she was a mayor of....

Secondly the CA energy crisis was not all due to Enron but, to two factors. The way they setup the "partially dereg'd market" allowed Enron and Reliant Energy to play games.

I just wanted to be factual.

[Hammy]

A couple of points where I need to correct myself

Firstly I misspoke when I said the population of Alaska was 7k what I meant to say was the population of the town she was a mayor of....

Secondly the CA energy crisis was not all due to Enron but, to two factors. The way they setup the "partially dereg'd market" allowed Enron and Reliant Energy to play games.

I just wanted to be factual.

Let's not forget Gray Davis, the greedy special interest groups that expected revenue and kickbacks (not all of them were energy related- but investors in energy via their hedge funds **ahem** California Teachers Association, Nurses Union, and etc.).

Then there were the environmental bills that required that certain types of plants be shut down, and the new plants required to be a specific way (which by the way makes California the strictest emissions place in the world).

But I think that we are off track- I'm not sure why California is an example here, or how the energy crisis factors into the discussion:scratch:

The people demanded deregulation. It was fueled by special interest groups. If you look deep, you will see that Pete Wilson wanted strict rules folded into the bill that would protect the state and its' people. His staff made several reccomendations that were ignored, and they lost on those points. The end result is not one thing, but many things.

Popular politics deregulated the energy market, advertised and funded by Special interest groups, and then people such as Gray Davis inherited the problems.

You want to blame anyone in the Energy Crises, you have got to blame the citizens who voted to deregulate it under the "competitive powers" examples portrayed by examples such as the deregulation of telecommunications and the success "Baby Bells" have had.

One has to look no further than today's at&t to see how that worked out.

Again, I must ask, what all this has to do with the original post. Let's not hi-jack the thread. The conversational topic is Palin.

;)

~Hammy