Heroes - Season 2 (Spoiler)

[MajorDeath]

Mine as well start it. And may I be the first to say I can't wait to see what they have in store for us this year. Pretty excited to see how they can make a bad guy worse than Sylar.

MD

[Rand{CLR}]

Alternate Evil-Universe Peter. Goatee included. :twisted:

-Rand

[(DSP)-Bar]

Alternate Evil-Universe Peter. Goatee included. :twisted:

-Rand

Spider-Pig

:D

[KurlonT]

Season 2 Previews and Promos (http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?showtopic=58661)
(from 9th Wonders forum (http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?showforum=9) for Heroes spoilers)

[Rand{CLR}]

I saw the one with Peter on tv last night, and it immediately was flagged in my mind. It looked like there were flashes of light around his unchained hand, as if he were slowly regaining his powers.

The questions: Who captured him? How? What happened to his powers? How did all his powers except regeneration (to survive the bomb) click off?

His hair: burned off when he went boom perhaps? Dead cells do not regenerate? When Claire breaks a nail, it stays broken?

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Season 2 and Origins schedule (from Beeman's Blog (http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/)):

We will come back on September 24 ? run 11 episodes in a row, take only 4 weeks off, run 7 in a row, take only 3 weeks off and then finish the season with a final run of 6 episodes.

And, on top of all that, when HEROES ends, Tim is going to give the fans 6 episodes of a new original series HEROES ORIGINS.

BTW they updated the Heroes Website (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/) for Season 2...looks good.

[LIMEY]

WOW!!!! What a start to season 2!

[Rand{CLR}]

WOW!!!! What a start to season 2!

+1. Some great stuff. Noah continues to be a badass even when he looks like a dumbass in a purple shirt.

Heck of a way to take out a superpowered individual (whose power we still don't really, actually know). Also, we now know there are 8 living "Justice League" members. That's interesting in and of itself.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Beeman's Blog of ?FOUR MONTHS LATER? (http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/09/season-2-episode-2-four-months-ago.html)

Two clues to the season: What is the virus Suresh is talking about? And? Who killed Kaito Nakamura? These are key questions!

Noticed a bunch of sub-plots thrown in as well...:2thumbs:

[Tuqui-tuqui]

FINALLY! Not only saw the season finale but also the first episode of season 2! Why, oh why must the hero gods taunt us so with such suspense???

Can't wait til I see upcoming episodes in the future :2thumbs:

[Rand{CLR}]

Why, oh why must the hero gods taunt us so with such suspense???

They found the secret for virtual crack. Take one good television show with a good ensemble cast, great story lines, and classic superhero powers in the hands of "normal" folks. Add weekly twists and cliffhangers. Watch addicted fans froth at the mouth and drool like gibbering idiots as they wait for their next fix.

-Rand

[dirtyoldgoat]

Who captured him? How? What happened to his powers?

When we saw Peter he had a necklace on that looked like the Haitian man's. Perhaps the Haitian got to him and wiped his memories and he's using the powers subconsciously without any real control and realization of what he has (to prevent another meltdown).

[Rand{CLR}]

Who captured him? How? What happened to his powers?

When we saw Peter he had a necklace on that looked like the Haitian man's. Perhaps the Haitian got to him and wiped his memories and he's using the powers subconsciously without any real control and realization of what he has (to prevent another meltdown).

The symbol has more meaning for the older generation. My guess is, the "boogie man" had something to do with this. Get the most dangerous foe out of the way to be free to take out the old folks.

-Rand

[Tuqui-tuqui]

I dont think the "boogey man" did this, unless this boogey-man character is part of the of the remaining 8 bosses(?). You saw how Hiro's father recognized the murderer by telling him:

"I never thought it would be you out of all to do this" (or something to that extent.

[Rand{CLR}]

I dont think the "boogey man" did this, unless this boogey-man character is part of the of the remaining 8 bosses(?). You saw how Hiro's father recognized the murderer by telling him:

"I never thought it would be you out of all to do this" (or something to that extent.

I think it was fairly clear the boogey man is one of the remaining 8 of the old-school heroes. At the very least, Ms. Petrelli and Mr. Nakamura knew the symbol on their images meant death within 24 hours, and Mr. Nakamura's recognition and comment strongly suggest it was a former friend.

Who captured him? How? What happened to his powers?

When we saw Peter he had a necklace on that looked like the Haitian man's. Perhaps the Haitian got to him and wiped his memories and he's using the powers subconsciously without any real control and realization of what he has (to prevent another meltdown).

This is still a good possibility too. But it could be a red herring, which was why I was thinking toward the other direction.

-Rand

P.S. I don't know if we've covered this or not, but Peter appears to have control over electricity now. We need to keep an eye out for whoever may show up with that ability.

[BigTwinky]

While most heroes need to focus to use their power, with Peter, I think its more of an instinct...goes to show to what level his powers really are.

Not to be a nay sayer, but i'm not a fan of the amnesia thing with not remembering who he is. A little bit overdone. But still has me intrigued hehe.

So they have a second fly boy. Couldn't they give him some other power? OR......... could the fly boy ALSO be Nathan's son, just as Claire is Nathan's daughter? Thus he inherited his dad's flying power?

I'm starting to really like Claire's dad (I'm drawing a blank with his name...thinking Noah...). The whole copy centre scene was priceless.

Hiro in feudal Japan is cool. Nice twist having the hero NOT be japanese. Obviously, Hiro will be the one who actuallly does the deeds and is really Takezo, or it will be because of Hiro this dude gets so famous.

Mohinder and Parkman trying to take down the Company. Pretty cool to see them working together.

Can't wait until tonight's show, Lizards. Seems that its going to delve deeper into the Peter storyline, talking about irish criminals and a love interest.

[Rand{CLR}]

Again, I didn't get quite enough of my Heroescrack fix this week. Damn, this show is just the tops. Even something as lame as Mr. Muggles gets interesting this week.

Peter's radius of absorbsion is pretty impressive. He's got Niki and D.L.'s abilities now, despite never getting within 40 feet of D.L. I think they're going to need to keep Sylar around just to have them check each other. Peter is even more unbalancing than ever before.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

two wow weeks in a row and so much to digest, will have to watch it a second time, the scene with Nathan and Peter's mother at the police station was intense......

[Trooper110]

I was just waiting for Peter to let lose on someone and find out what he could do.

[KurlonT]

"Lizards" is up at Beeman's Blog (http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/)

Even something as lame as Mr. Muggles gets interesting this week.
Yep I had a good laugh when Claire turned the channel and ole Muggles started to growl until she turned it back.

Not to be a nay sayer, but i'm not a fan of the amnesia thing with not remembering who he is. A little bit overdone. But still has me intrigued hehe.
Thought I read either episode 7 or 8 they will explain what happened after peter exploded and fill in all the details that led up to his discovery in the shipping container.

Looks like next episode we will finally see the Candice/Sylar encounter.

[LIMEY]

SO the South American chick is a possible antidote to the new dream weaver guy with the scary eyes?

[Rand{CLR}]

Dream weaver guy?

Maya is the disease, her brother Alejandro is the cure. The question is, does Maya have something to do with the mutation disease that Molly and the Haitian had? And if so, does that plague ability become one of the "circles" that the producers/writers are introducing, and would someone from the older generation have a similar ability? Maya couldn't have infected Shanti, she wouldn't have been alive.

One thing that did bother me is how dumb as hell the swordsmith's daughter is. How did she miss the fact that Hiro is like a foot and a half shorter than Kensai? I suppose I can live with the fact that there is no way the armor would have fit Hiro in the first place. :wink:

-Rand

[LIMEY]

The guy I am calling dream weaver is the one Molly keeps drawing, the evil eyes. I do not think that Maya is the disease, but I could be wrong, I think of what she has is some kind of unharnessed power that works as a defense. Remember Suresh is the cure for the disease, he cured the Haitian.

The swordsmiths daughter is just like Lois Lane in the Superman series........dazzeled by the brilliance of Kensai and therefore missing that it was Hiro.

I also wonder if Hiro is a direct heir of her and Kensai.....they have certainly introduced a lot of new plots very early, and to think there are several people from last season yet to become involved this season.

[BigTwinky]

So the West, the fly boy, has the same powers as Nathan while Kensai has the same powers as Claire. I wonder if they are all along the same bloodline, in some distant way. If so, seeing as we talk about evolution, where did it start? Was Kensai the first to be ?special??

He also seems to be a bit startled about healing, which means he didn?t know about it ahead of time. Could Hiro be the cause of the powers coming to be?

As Maya and Alejandro are twins, their powers are opposites?one harms, one heals. Although I figure there is an amount of time before he can heal people because he was not able (or maybe unwilling) to heal the people in the truck.

My wife thought her power was like Medusa, turning people to stone and such.

Alejandro seemed to have absorbed her power temporarily and was able to dispel it. Can he do this to other heroes as well?


I like how the Claire storyline now includes the mother knowing about the whole thing. Does he brother know?

And then there is the Parkman meeting Mrs Petrelli and how she knew so easily that he could read her mind. Interesting.

Random thought...as these powers came to be at a specific time in all the heroes, that they were not born with them, I have a feeling they can leave as easily as they came. Which might explain how the "elders" (Hiro's dad, Petrelli,..) were linked in the past but now don't seem to have any powers.

[Rand{CLR}]

The guy I am calling dream weaver is the one Molly keeps drawing, the evil eyes. I do not think that Maya is the disease, but I could be wrong, I think of what she has is some kind of unharnessed power that works as a defense. Remember Suresh is the cure for the disease, he cured the Haitian.

The swordsmiths daughter is just like Lois Lane in the Superman series........dazzeled by the brilliance of Kensai and therefore missing that it was Hiro.

I also wonder if Hiro is a direct heir of her and Kensai.....they have certainly introduced a lot of new plots very early, and to think there are several people from last season yet to become involved this season.

Maya has a different disease, and it's far more deadly. But I'm just wondering if it's somehow connected to the other. Hers could be the pure form for example, and the similar power in the older generation could also be pure, but it could have mutated over time.

It's possible that Molly's guy is the cause as well, as good a theory as any. All we know/can assume right now is that he's the boogey man, and will be the season's Big Bad, at least for Volume 2. I don't think they've told us yet what Volume 3 will be called or be about.

-Rand

[dirtyoldgoat]

Anyone notice the Haitian man missing his necklace? :P

I'm also wondering if the Invisible Man (Chris Eccleston) has anything to do with Peter's mother getting attacked. Invisible assailant and he was a member of the company before he broke off.

[Trooper110]

Wouldn't Matt haven been able to hear his thoughts though if it was the invisible man who did it?

[dirtyoldgoat]

It appears that Matt has to focus to be able to hear people's thoughts, they always make a show of him squinting his eyes and looking real hard at the individual he is trying to read. You can't very well do that to someone you can't see...

[MajorDeath]

I'm suspicious of the white Kensai dude. Regeneration power?? I think he may be the one that killed Hero's father if he managed to stay alive for all those years. He did fall off a building and walk away, and has the Kensai symbol planted on their pictures.

Very awesome start to season 2!!

MD

[BigTwinky]

Anyone notice the Haitian man missing his necklace? :P


Looks like Peter might be wearing it now...and he has also lost his memory, leading to a potential recent encounter with the Haitian.
The Haitian also says that he has done something that god won't forgive him for, which could of been erasing Peter's memory, knowing that he is the saviour of the world.

[dirtyoldgoat]

Looks like Peter might be wearing it now...and he has also lost his memory, leading to a potential recent encounter with the Haitian.
The Haitian also says that he has done something that god won't forgive him for, which could of been erasing Peter's memory, knowing that he is the saviour of the world.

Dude, we're on the same page, I posted almost the exact same thing before, but *SOME* people don't seem to agree. :P

[Rand{CLR}]

The Haitian would have more than Peter to account for. He took that one football kid's whole life for one thing.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

Things do somewhat add up though with the memory loss and such. I know the Haitian has done things he regretted, so maybe he gave him the necklace so jog some sort of memory later on?

This would mean that Peter would have the Haitian's powers now, although he doesn't yet know it.

Anyone reading the graphic novels?

[KurlonT]

I'm suspicious of the white Kensai dude. Regeneration power?? I think he may be the one that killed Hero's father if he managed to stay alive for all those years. He did fall off a building and walk away, and has the Kensai symbol planted on their pictures.

Takezo is already 87 years old when we see him in "Lizards"...:D

BTW there's a few unconfirmed spoilers (http://heroeswiki.com/Spoiler:Being_who_might_see_Molly) out there on Takezo that might support this idea.

The Haitian also says that he has done something that god won't forgive him for

I'm guessing this has to do more with what we learn in the graphic novels involving the Hatian as a youth (http://heroeswiki.com/Haitian_town#Graphic_Novel:It_Takes_a_Village.2C_P art_1) and after the cure from Mohinder (http://heroeswiki.com/Graphic_Novel:The_Crossroads).

Anyone reading the graphic novels?

Yep...they are pretty informative on characters that might get introduced in future episodes or simply providing background information on existing characters.

Heroeswiki (www.heroeswiki.com) is a good place to see how all the graphic novels and heroes related websites tie in with what we find out on the show.

[Trooper110]

Oh, nice link Kurlon, thanks!

[KurlonT]

Great episode tonight.

I got a kick out of they way they handled the whole Peter/Sylar being too powerful for Season 2. Although it's only a matter of time for Sylar to regain his abilities and Peter to find out what's in the box.

Plus I guess we will find out the rest of Issacs paintings along the way but that last one doesn't look good for Noah.

[LIMEY]

Great episode tonight.

I got a kick out of they way they handled the whole Peter/Sylar being too powerful for Season 2. Although it's only a matter of time for Sylar to regain his abilities and Peter to find out what's in the box.

Plus I guess we will find out the rest of Issacs paintings along the way but that last one doesn't look good for Noah.

Yes another awesome episode, I love Sylar's predicament, in the middle of no-where, injured and now his care giver is dead.......

I think we will see alot more of Micah in the coming weeks, finally see that DL died was a bit of a disapointment to me. This show is flat out awesome!

[Rand{CLR}]

Peter is flipping armoured cars around; the question is, could either he or Sylar do that before, or did he manage to burn out Sylar's abilities when he sucked in the additional bit of Ted's radiation power, for an increase in shared abilities? It was interesting to see the regeneration push the bullets out--did they hit something vital or not? If they did, that's a new "feature" too. Previously objects left in a killing location kept him or Claire dead.

Claire is turning all after school special on Noah. WTF is up with her kissing some dude in the background of the painting? West or Claire shoots him so they can run off together? Bah. :P He wasn't wearing the Copy Kingdom shirt in the painting; that would have been sweet.

So...what did Kensai do with the angry Ronin? I'm not so sure he went through the trouble of killing a few at a time, regenerating, and killing some more. Seems more likely to have made some sort of deal with them. He's beginning to look more likely as a good boogey man suspect. Which causes all sorts of poetic justice/confrontation potential with Hiro forced to stop a man he helped get on the track, who also happened to kill his father.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

Peter is flipping armoured cars around; the question is, could either he or Sylar do that before, or did he manage to burn out Sylar's abilities when he sucked in the additional bit of Ted's radiation power, for an increase in shared abilities? It was interesting to see the regeneration push the bullets out--did they hit something vital or not? If they did, that's a new "feature" too. Previously objects left in a killing location kept him or Claire dead.

Could Peter be one of the few with whom powers actually evolve? He may have absorbed Claire's power, but now that he has it, it kinda morphs into a better power. Or could just be that they didn't hit anything vital, hence why they were pushed out.

I think they both could do that before. They both had some sort of telekenesis power going on.


Claire is turning all after school special on Noah. WTF is up with her kissing some dude in the background of the painting? West or Claire shoots him so they can run off together? Bah. :P He wasn't wearing the Copy Kingdom shirt in the painting; that would have been sweet.

Not sure they are going to run off together. West has been in contact with The Company already. We don't really know what they did to him or are still doing to him. In the painting, while they were seen kissing, maybe he is attacking her / trying to rape her? He goes all beserk, kills Noah as he thinks this is what Claire wants as she bitches and complains about him.

[LIMEY]

It did not look like they were kissing to me, it looked like she was crying into the dark silhouettes shoulder.....

[BigTwinky]

It did not look like they were kissing to me, it looked like she was crying into the dark silhouettes shoulder.....

Not to say its the definate source, but the wiki says "Bennet receives the picture, and it is of Bennet, lying dead with cracked glasses and a couple kissing in the background. "

And whats up with the Star Trek crew making apperances? First it was Sulu, now its Uhura. And man, for someone who is 75 years old, she stunning!

I didn't catch the entire start of the show. The only way we know that DL is dead is by the tombstone? He was in jail and such, escaped and might have cops after him. So could they be faking his death?

[LIMEY]

It did not look like they were kissing to me, it looked like she was crying into the dark silhouettes shoulder.....

Not to say its the definate source, but the wiki says "Bennet receives the picture, and it is of Bennet, lying dead with cracked glasses and a couple kissing in the background. "

And whats up with the Star Trek crew making apperances? First it was Sulu, now its Uhura. And man, for someone who is 75 years old, she stunning!

I didn't catch the entire start of the show. The only way we know that DL is dead is by the tombstone? He was in jail and such, escaped and might have cops after him. So could they be faking his death?

Had both those thoughts also, with DL it was more because of what Micah said, I agree that DL could well be in hiding, there is also likely security video from the hotel showing DL killing Lindermann......

[KurlonT]

Not to say its the definate source, but the wiki says "Bennet receives the picture, and it is of Bennet, lying dead with cracked glasses and a couple kissing in the background. "

Eighth painting in Isaac Mendez's series of eight:
http://heroeswiki.com/images/c/c0/Painting_eight_of_eight.jpg

I didn't catch the entire start of the show. The only way we know that DL is dead is by the tombstone? He was in jail and such, escaped and might have cops after him. So could they be faking his death?

From "The Death of Hana Gitelman, Part 2" (graphic novel):
D.L. is staying at a hospital for his wound, with Micah fearful for his safety. Niki reassures Micah that D.L. will be fine.

That's all we know of D.L. after he got shot by Linderman in the "Landslide" episode and after the events of "How to Stop an Exploding Man". His death could be a fake as I'm sure the cops and whoever took over for Linderman is still looking for him.

[LIMEY]

they are not kissing.........

[BigTwinky]

Yeah, the guy's arms on the girls shoulders looks like he is trying to hold her from running, fainting or something...

[Rand{CLR}]

I still think they're kissing. Tim Sale's style is such that he would show a look of horror in her eye gazing at Noah if she were in shock or some such. That's a profile of the guy's face, her eyes are closed, she's turning her head, and she's hanging on to him.

And Big Twinky, Peter and Sylar defintely both had telekinesis before, but we only saw them hurl each other around basically. There's a bit of a weight differential between a skinny dude and an armoured truck. :wink:

-Rand

[LIMEY]

I still think they're kissing. Tim Sale's style is such that he would show a look of horror in her eye gazing at Noah if she were in shock or some such. That's a profile of the guy's face, her eyes are closed, she's turning her head, and she's hanging on to him.

And Big Twinky, Peter and Sylar defintely both had telekinesis before, but we only saw them hurl each other around basically. There's a bit of a weight differential between a skinny dude and an armoured truck. :wink:

-Rand

If they are kissing we have a new guy who's face is in his elbow....... :roll: :twisted:

[Rand{CLR}]

I still think they're kissing. Tim Sale's style is such that he would show a look of horror in her eye gazing at Noah if she were in shock or some such. That's a profile of the guy's face, her eyes are closed, she's turning her head, and she's hanging on to him.

And Big Twinky, Peter and Sylar defintely both had telekinesis before, but we only saw them hurl each other around basically. There's a bit of a weight differential between a skinny dude and an armoured truck. :wink:

-Rand

If they are kissing we have a new guy who's face is in his elbow....... :roll: :twisted:

Dude, his elbow is immediately above Claire's. That's a face in profile right next to her eye. That slight patch of lighter color immediately to the right of Claire's forearm is his waist.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/RandCLR/elbow.jpg

Unless you've got some sort of second hinge point between your elbow and hand, there isn't anyone who can bend their arm that way if you think his elbow is that high up on the shot. :twisted:

-Rand

[KurlonT]

they are not kissing.........

Listen to the cast commentary for "Kindred" (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/commentary_203.shtml) and they mention Claire "is making out w/ some guy" when it comes to the scene of HRG looking at the picture on his computer.

We know HRG would move the family again if someone found out about Claire. We don't know what would happen if West and HRG meet or the threat of moving is going to make one of them (Claire or West) do something drastic to stay together.

[LIMEY]

I suppose it would make some sense, you could tell Clare was starting to see more about her dad last night when Fly boy mentioned HRG.....I could see west killing him, I am not sure it will happen this season though, also anyone else feel that maybe Mohinder could change sides away from HRG and Parkman?

[Trooper110]

I don't think Mohinder will change sides. He's seen what the company does and knows too much about them. Especially with a lot of the main company characters leaving, turning away from it, dying, I don't think it's in the cards for him to start cooperating completely and working for them against everyone else.

[LIMEY]

I don't think Mohinder will change sides. He's seen what the company does and knows too much about them. Especially with a lot of the main company characters leaving, turning away from it, dying, I don't think it's in the cards for him to start cooperating completely and working for them against everyone else.

His reaction to seeing a lab constructed purely for him, leads me to believe he could still turn, do not forget in the future episode from before both he and Parkman were on board with things we would deem questionable......

[Rand{CLR}]

So, this is sort of a "lets set things up for the future, and forget about anything interesting or cool" episode.

I do want to see the photo in a screen grab though. Maybe do some digging tomorrow after folks have time to track it down and post it on 9th wonders or someplace.

-Rand

[mapes]

I'm starting to really like this show. The only problem is my wife dosn't :( Sigh

[Trooper110]

Tell her it's like football.....you're required to watch it to be a man :D

Or go watch it in the bedroom, lol.

[BigTwinky]

http://heroeswiki.com/images/a/a8/Group_of_twelve.jpg

I'll try and find a clearer pic

I was somewhat hoping to see Takezo Kensai in this picture, as I had a feeling he was the one doing the killing. Although it could still be him, doing some sort of justice for what the people in the group did to him

TOP LEFT TO RIGHT
?? , Linderman, M Petrelli, Mrs Petrelli, M. Nakamura, Bob (from The Company), ??, Parker's dad

BOTTOM LEFT TO RIGHT
??, M Devreaux, ??, ??

Here are some closeups of the unknowns:
http://heroeswiki.com/images/a/aa/Unknown_man_2.jpghttp://heroeswiki.com/images/c/c1/Unknown_man.jpghttp://heroeswiki.com/images/4/42/Unnamed_woman_1.jpghttp://heroeswiki.com/images/9/9c/Unnamed_woman_2.jpghttp://heroeswiki.com/images/7/7e/Unnamed_woman_3.jpg

And whats up with that Nathan in the mirror? Did i miss something somewhere?

http://heroeswiki.com/images/f/f9/Nathans_proactiv_solution_before_shot.jpg

[LIMEY]

I really enjoyed last nights episode, Micah's cousin has a nice ability, see something done once and you can do it? Nice use of Rey Meysterio's finishing move! :2thumbs:

[KurlonT]

Hey we finally get to see Kristen Bell's character tonight...:2thumbs:

TV Guide spoke with Kristen Bell about her role as Elle. She said, "She's a little messed up in the head, which makes her manipulative and out to get what she wants." Kristen also stated that Elle enjoys using her power, and that she lived her entire life with The Company. She also reveals that Elle has a small connection with Suresh and a "deeper relationship" with Claire.

According to Tim Kring, "Elle's a cautionary tale to all of [the] other characters: what could happen to you if you live with this for a long time and how it messes with you." He adds, "Elle's a little off-kilter and plays by her own rules. She's not very socially adept, she's a bit of a loose cannon, a little inappropriate - a little flirty at the wrong times - a little quick to anger." Elle will appear in at least 13 episodes, with the possibility of staying longer.

[Rand{CLR}]

Much better episode overall this week. I wonder if the boring factor is in inverse proportion to the amount of time given to Peter and Hiro? Anyway, we confirm where Peter picked up his newest power, but who is "daddy?"

Parkman's dad is about to unleash the whupass, and next week overall looks like maybe the best of the season so far, to judge by the trailer.

Back to normal. Even if Entertainment Weekly hates this season. :P

-Rand

[Trooper110]

Entertainment Weekly can kiss my butt, lol. I've enjoyed this season for the most part so far other than a lot of the early stuff with the twins, and that looks to be getting better with the addition of Sylar to their little bit of fun.

Now I want to see a fight between Peter and Elle, hehe. And I want to know who her dad is :P Also can't wait to see what happens to Hiro and Kensai.

Actually, I just want the entire story next week, tyvm.

[LIMEY]

Last nights episode was about 6 hours too short!

[BigTwinky]

So if Parkman's dad wasn't lying, then the powers tend to get stronger. I had an idea that Kensai was still around, and that was assuming his power to regenerate got stronger and gave him immortality.

When Mrs Petrelli got injured, there was no one in the room with her. Could she have been attacked by someone who can phase in and out (like Nightcrawler) or someone who time shifts, like Hiro? Could she of attacked herself?

If Parkman's dad has powers, and he said that the others shared something, does this mean that the others in the picture had powers? What was Sulu's power and what can Mrs Petrelli do? We know Bob can turn metal into gold...but nothing from Linderman, Peter's dad. The black guy in the wheelchair was able to see invisible or missplaced people.

If Parkman inherited his dad's power, can Mrs Petrelli also have the sponge effect like Peter, and she is really all powerful?

So many questions after this show...

[LIMEY]

So if Parkman's dad wasn't lying, then the powers tend to get stronger. I had an idea that Kensai was still around, and that was assuming his power to regenerate got stronger and gave him immortality.

When Mrs Petrelli got injured, there was no one in the room with her. Could she have been attacked by someone who can phase in and out (like Nightcrawler) or someone who time shifts, like Hiro? Could she of attacked herself?

If Parkman's dad has powers, and he said that the others shared something, does this mean that the others in the picture had powers? What was Sulu's power and what can Mrs Petrelli do? We know Bob can turn metal into gold...but nothing from Linderman, Peter's dad. The black guy in the wheelchair was able to see invisible or missplaced people.

If Parkman inherited his dad's power, can Mrs Petrelli also have the sponge effect like Peter, and she is really all powerful?

So many questions after this show...

Could Parkmans Dad have made Mrs. Petrelli attack herself?

[BigTwinky]

Unsure if he can control people at will or needs to be around them.
Molly did mention that she cannot find him because when she looks for him, he sees her. So are his powers linked to someone thinking of him? Who knows...

Edit: someone told me that Linderman was able to heal others, as he did with Nathan's wife.

We got on the subject of other evolved humans and there are still a bunch we have not seen, looking at that original map with the post-its on it. I also remember the hindu kid that helped Mohinder remember his dreams

[Premonition]

if you own a xbox 360 dont get the hereos theme off marketplace! It suxs bad its just the paintings.

[Rand{CLR}]

So if Parkman's dad wasn't lying, then the powers tend to get stronger. I had an idea that Kensai was still around, and that was assuming his power to regenerate got stronger and gave him immortality.

When Mrs Petrelli got injured, there was no one in the room with her. Could she have been attacked by someone who can phase in and out (like Nightcrawler) or someone who time shifts, like Hiro? Could she of attacked herself?

If Parkman's dad has powers, and he said that the others shared something, does this mean that the others in the picture had powers? What was Sulu's power and what can Mrs Petrelli do? We know Bob can turn metal into gold...but nothing from Linderman, Peter's dad. The black guy in the wheelchair was able to see invisible or missplaced people.

If Parkman inherited his dad's power, can Mrs Petrelli also have the sponge effect like Peter, and she is really all powerful?

So many questions after this show...

Could Parkmans Dad have made Mrs. Petrelli attack herself?

Yep. Especially considering all the strange stuff Matt was picking up during the attack.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

I'm not convinced that he can control someone to THAT point. Granted, we've only seen him in this one episode, but with Matt and Nathan, he didn't make them do something they didn't want to do. He played with their mind, their perception of where they are and who they are with.

Its not like he was making them hit themselves.

But who knows, I guess you can figure that if he can do what he did, where does his power stop...full mind control shouldn't be written off. However, if he was truly that bad a man, he would of just taken care of both Matt and Nathan right then and there by taking over their minds.

Or.... maybe he just likes to play sick games.

Ah...brainstorming in a post, ain't it grand? :D

[LIMEY]

I'm not convinced that he can control someone to THAT point. Granted, we've only seen him in this one episode, but with Matt and Nathan, he didn't make them do something they didn't want to do. He played with their mind, their perception of where they are and who they are with.

Its not like he was making them hit themselves.

But who knows, I guess you can figure that if he can do what he did, where does his power stop...full mind control shouldn't be written off. However, if he was truly that bad a man, he would of just taken care of both Matt and Nathan right then and there by taking over their minds.

Or.... maybe he just likes to play sick games.

Ah...brainstorming in a post, ain't it grand? :D

Maybe he made Angela Petrelli think her face was covered with cockroaches and she started clawing at herself to get them off?

[BigTwinky]

In looking up various Heroes info today, I came upon the painting that Peter did in the last episode. Seems like his pictures are not 100% reality

http://heroeswiki.com/images/0/09/Roadsign2x05.jpg

The street sign should read: St-Jacques and not St-Jaque. This is about 10 mins walk from my work, so I might go check if there is REALLY a lamp post. lol.

I?m actually pretty psyched to see my home town in the show. I wonder how long they will spend here and what they will be showing. While many movies and shows are actually made here, we aren?t often actually part of the story line.

The last time I can remember was with The Jackal, with Bruce Willis. Parts were actually shot here and the story partially took place here as well.

Sorry, rambling. Its Friday and I don't feel like working.

[BigTwinky]

While I?m still thinking Kensai might be the hooded Sulu killer, Nathan is also a possibility.

Sulu said he knew who would kill him.
Nathan did bump into Ando when Ando had the newspaper, and might of slipped the picture of Sulu with the mark of death into the paper.
Nathan can easily get to the roof top
More importantly, when Ando looked over the edge, he didn?t see the killer, like he?.flew away.

[LIMEY]

While I?m still thinking Kensai might be the hooded Sulu killer, Nathan is also a possibility.

Sulu said he knew who would kill him.
Nathan did bump into Ando when Ando had the newspaper, and might of slipped the picture of Sulu with the mark of death into the paper.
Nathan can easily get to the roof top
More importantly, when Ando looked over the edge, he didn?t see the killer, like he?.flew away.

Now that is a very interesting theory

[mapes]

In looking up various Heroes info today, I came upon the painting that Peter did in the last episode. Seems like his pictures are not 100% reality

http://heroeswiki.com/images/0/09/Roadsign2x05.jpg

The street sign should read: St-Jacques and not St-Jaque. This is about 10 mins walk from my work, so I might go check if there is REALLY a lamp post. lol.

I?m actually pretty psyched to see my home town in the show. I wonder how long they will spend here and what they will be showing. While many movies and shows are actually made here, we aren?t often actually part of the story line.

The last time I can remember was with The Jackal, with Bruce Willis. Parts were actually shot here and the story partially took place here as well.

Sorry, rambling. Its Friday and I don't feel like working.


Well BT whats the storey on this?

[LIMEY]

So Hiro, now has t stay in fuedal Japan to right history, this would account for his transformation into the future version we saw last season. Wonder what happens in 2008........good episode again last night, great job they did on the head cheerleader getting pranked!

Who is Adam? :2thumbs:

[Rand{CLR}]

If a certain spoiler source is right, I know who Adam is. Should be a nice reveal, but the method and timing hasn't shown up yet. But remember, it was around this point last seaon that Sylar was first revealed, so it's about time for the Big Bad to come out, if he hasn't already.

Good episode last night. Kensai has an interesting way of "dealing" with the guard. :twisted:

Man, can Bob overcompensate or what?

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

I still think Hiro is the real heroe and he doesn't have to rewrite anything. I think all this is going on as it first did. I believe we saw in a prior episode where Sulu was training Hiro that Kensai was of asian decent. I think history would of remembered him being white.

mapes, not much about Montreal in last night's episode. I couldn't even figure out where they were. Sure, the sign of the restaurant in the back was in french, but not a place I know. I think they are just using the name.

I'll keep you posted if I see a guy shooting others with lightning walking around downtown in the next few weeks :wink:

[Rand{CLR}]

Origins has apparently been cancelled:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3iff716996ae2a7e21c8a3f229c7669739

-Rand

[Tuqui-tuqui]

Finally caught up with all the episodes and here is my take on the events so far (I dont read the comics or the wiki, so I may be off on some/all of these)

1) Isn't it funny how Sylar and Peter are opposites of each other in everything? Right now Peter has none of his memories but all of his powers, yet Sylar has all his memories but none of his powers. Sylar does not touch others to get their powers, but he kills them. Peter has to touch others in order to save them... maybe I'm speculating too much but these guys seem to be each other's ying-yang.

2) So, the company (Bob) allowed the girl to keep her powers and even went as far as training her (iPod)! So, she really is going to become a real "super" heroe like the comic... which means the events painted by (forgot name) the painter are still bound to happen. History has not/will not be changed!

3) The name Adam? Adam is usually name given to something/someone that causes a catalystic effect thereby changing lives, the way things flow. I wonder... could Adam be one of the original 12? Perhaps the founder? Kensei perhaps? :D

I know... I'm getting too much into ti, but I cant helpt it!

[Premonition]

Finally caught up with all the episodes and here is my take on the events so far (I dont read the comics or the wiki, so I may be off on some/all of these)

1) Isn't it funny how Sylar and Peter are opposites of each other in everything? Right now Peter has none of his memories but all of his powers, yet Sylar has all his memories but none of his powers. Sylar does not touch others to get their powers, but he kills them. Peter has to touch others in order to save them... maybe I'm speculating too much but these guys seem to be each other's ying-yang.

I know... I'm getting too much into ti, but I cant helpt it!

I dont read the comic or spoilers either :)
But what i find odd is the link between parents and the heroes. That leaves the question of where is sylars dad (we saw mom).
I think the parents are behind the organization. I still dont get the save the cheerleader save the world stuff. Was that to keep sylar from regening?

Why did hiro go back to ancient japan? Seems like a silly story line just to get him out the way. But sylars new girlfriend got some mean powers :) i gotta think the brother wont survive very many more episodes.

But with sylar not having powers the only way id see them giving him powers back is if there is someone way more dangerous (peter and his memory loss maybe? that would be a odd twist to see a rematch with reverse roles). He probably has that virus, but it would be a cool twist if the agency turns on the doc and the doc cures sylar to fight the agency.

To many questions to few episodes...........

[Rand{CLR}]

I dont read the comic or spoilers either :)
But what i find odd is the link between parents and the heroes. That leaves the question of where is sylars dad (we saw mom).
I think the parents are behind the organization. I still dont get the save the cheerleader save the world stuff. Was that to keep sylar from regening?

Two reasons. The biggest by far is that she convinced Nathan to get Peter out of Dodge before he went boom. Had Sylar killed her, that never would have happened.

Second--With Claire's powers, Sylar would have survived the explosion, and went on to take out President Nathan, create what is essentially the Mutant Registration Act, and condemn the majority of those with powers to death at his hands or persecution by paranoids throughout the world.

By the way: especially given what we know of Matt's potential and that of his father--Unless Sylar had killed Matt's father or found a mind blank power, Future Matt absolutely, positively would have known that Sylar was in charge. Which makes Future Matt even darker than he first appeared. Will his expanding abilities corrupt him?

Why did hiro go back to ancient japan? Seems like a silly story line just to get him out the way. Because Kensai has importance. That's all I'll say on that.

But with sylar not having powers the only way id see them giving him powers back is if there is someone way more dangerous (peter and his memory loss maybe? that would be a odd twist to see a rematch with reverse roles). He probably has that virus, but it would be a cool twist if the agency turns on the doc and the doc cures sylar to fight the agency.


He was probably injected with the serum Bob has been toting around. However, the noises that are associated with Sylar seem to suggest his system is working around the "cure" and he'll be able to overcome it. It may well be he's patient zero for a virus mutation, but we'll see.

-Rand

[Premonition]

Well in x-men telepaths have been very powerful. Remember the first xmen had a perception altering telepath like matts father. gotta feel sorry for that guy though. he gets his powers find out his wife has been cheeting on him, he gets fired, he makes the fbi look stupid and gets chewed out, he gets shot 4 times, his dad is out of control and haunting little girls. Who could blame him for becoming a bad guy :).

But the ties between heroes and xmen just have me thinking. Sylars new girlfriend could be the the next potential phoenix (its a women and she has some dark powers but a nice character overall. I think she flips out when sylar kills her brother (maybe when he starts to get his powers back and makes himself look like someone else?)

being as the symbol was in the past when jiro arrived i figured Kensai (powers might be not to die?) was the cause of that. That would explain why hiro`s father was the first killed (revenge for the son kissing his girl?)

I thought matts father would be the main bad guy for season 2 seeing how season 1 ended with molly. But they cant let peter near him or sylar just because of past story lines.

But i am wondering what the next episode holds as far as the virus thing and did it mutate? The dr sister had the first virus and his father was linked to sylar which means his father had powers to (since sylar only goes after people with powers). His sister had the virus and the doc bloos cures the virus so what powers has the doc been hiding away?

Im guessing on all counts though :) just shooting ideas. But with pheonixs history in xmen being 1 of the biggest comic selling series in history you would think they wouldnt miss the oppertunity at some form of recreation.

Also i was thinking sylar might be the patient zero. can we say wolverine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVmVlIm7QM

[Premonition]

gotta love utube :)

here is a heroes episode you probably havent saw :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NW7CHrJ43Q

heroes meets south park :shock: not bad for a fan video, its orig. ill give it that.

[Rand{CLR}]

The Writer's Guild is officially on strike. This affects pretty much everything other than reality shows; depending on how long it may last, it will eventually affect movies as well.

With regard to Heroes, if this doesn't end soon, we're going to have a mighty short season:

Sources confirm that [?Heroes?] is going back and shooting an alternate ending to the Dec. 3 episode that, if used, would allow the episode to function as a season finale in the event of a strike. Originally, the episode was only supposed to serve as the conclusion of the current "Generations" arc. Should an 11th-hour agreement be reached and a strike averted (fingers crossed!), the alt ending would likely be scrapped.

This comes for Ausiello, with TV Guide.

-Rand

[Rand{CLR}]

Wow. That was easily the best show of this season so far. Probably one of the three best overall. A lot of great stuff, so of course they torture us and do the flashback episode after this masterpiece.

-Rand

edit for typo

[Trooper110]

I think I actually rate tonight's show as the best one yet, in my opinion at least, heh.

And next week's should be good.....it's flashbacks, but it looks like they'll fill in a lot of information that I've been wondering about.

[LIMEY]

I think I actually rate tonight's show as the best one yet, in my opinion at least, heh.

And next week's should be good.....it's flashbacks, but it looks like they'll fill in a lot of information that I've been wondering about.

+1

This is gonna start getting tense, I hope the writers guild do not kill the season early!

[Trooper110]

Writers guild needs to quit whining and get to writing, or I'ma be pretty pissed off. I'm actually a bit surprised that they don't have this season's shows written yet though, although I will say I know nothing about the TV show industry besides the fact that I like the end product :D

Maybe I could talk them in to letting me write the remaining episodes if the writers guild does something stupid :D

[LIMEY]

Likes like I may have been right about Mohindar becoming a company man.....

Also I think we will see a huge battle between Hiro and Adam before this season ends. I believe Nathan is the key to pulling Peter over to the good side and away from Adam.

[Rand{CLR}]

With Mohinder, he could go either way. I actually think he's more likely to plug Bob with that hand-cannon of his than Noah. Most likely, making a decision as Bob and Noah are in some sort of face-off with one another. I just hope they don't kill off Noah. We need a moral ambiguous, and more importantly, human, badass running around, instead of just two good badasses in Peter and Hiro, and two evil ones in Sylar and Adam.

Here's a question though: Bob is a transmuter. Can he change the composition of a bullet as it's in the air coming to him? Say, to Nerf instead of lead and steel? :twisted:

-Rand

[LIMEY]

I am not sure what Bob's full power is, he may only be able to turn metals into gold, I thought that was all we had seen so far.

[Slaughter]

It was an excellent episode! And I certainly enjoyed the way Parkman dealt with dear old Dad and saved Molly.

[Rand{CLR}]

It was an excellent episode! And I certainly enjoyed the way Parkman dealt with dear old Dad and saved Molly.

Yeah, that was good. And that, along with Bob's comment, tells us just how powerful Parkman is. He just joined Peter/Sylar and Hiro in shear power.

It was also very interesting seeing how fast Peter was able to access that aspect of Matt's power, to open up memories of his mom.

I wonder if poor Caitlin is going to be left where she's at?

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

I really liked the Hiro and the Princess story line. That was very well done.

I think Mrs. Petrelli is able to sense other mutant's powers. When she was in the exam room with Parkman, she knew he could read minds. When she was with Peter in the last episode, she knew of his powers and what he can do. So unless all this is being documented and she got a hold of this, then she has to be able to sense powers.

I have a feeling that Adam is not evil. I think he is more good than evil. I think he is the one who is behind the atomic bomb in season 1 and he is also behind the virus in season 2. But I think these are necessary evils to help control the population of mutants.

I think the mutants are getting too strong and too corrupted by their power (like Parkman's dad) and in a year from now, things will be out of hand.

So Adam, being the original hero, has been trying to stop this. Our heroes are trying to stop Adam, not knowing that he is actually try to do this for the better. There NEEDS to be a disaster to cleanse something. Its fate

I believe Adam started the whole thing...he had a vision. A vision shared by Linderman. They started to get all other mutants together. As they trained and bettered their powers, they got corrupt.

As people got more and more corrupt, Adam decided to try and put a stop to it, along with Linderman. They had a sense of the future (some other mutant's powers) and tried to shape it to fix the corruption.

Bob had a different view of how to get rid of mutants, which is the virus. So he pursued that part, using mutants and guinea pigs for his research.

Just brainstorming here, might not make much sense. :)

[Rand{CLR}]

I think Mrs. Petrelli is able to sense other mutant's powers. When she was in the exam room with Parkman, she knew he could read minds. When she was with Peter in the last episode, she knew of his powers and what he can do. So unless all this is being documented and she got a hold of this, then she has to be able to sense powers.

Nice theory, and may still pan out because we don't know what she can do yet, but it's busted. :D She knew Parkman's ability because he parroted back what she was thinking to her during the interrogation, and she "told" him then to get out of her head. She was projecting her thoughts in the exam room because she knew of his mind-reading from that.

With Peter, that scene took place a year after she thought he died. If she didn't already know of his abilities because of her connections to the Company, she had plenty of time to learn what they were. Nathan knew of at least some of them, and he could have told her any time between the explosion and his death from the virus.

I have a different take on Adam. I think his very quick turn around betrayal of Hiro and his vow are his true personality. He's a suave but incredibly evil individual, who has learned patience over 4 centuries of life. He vowed revenge on Hiro and all that Hiro loves, but knew that he had to wait for Hiro to travel back in time to do anything about it. It would not surprise me to learn that he had something to do with Angela and Kaito getting it on, and that such an incident would have led to strife among the original 12.

I've actually thought for awhile that he may be the first mutant, and have had a hand in all others to come. He's probably been manipulating everything we've seen so far for decades at least.

-Rand

[mapes]

I agree I think Adam is evil and will hold true to his promise and vow

[BigTwinky]

/shakes his fist at Rand for ruining his theory
:D

[KurlonT]

Excellent "now we know the rest of the story" episode...:D

Man Elle is something else and really shows off what growing up in the company can do to a person.

Just when things are getting good we only get a few more episodes because of the strike...:cry:

[Rand{CLR}]

Yeah, a few good bits. Elle is definitely a teensy, weensy bit twisted. It was pretty cool seeing how fast Peter recovered from going boom. And I want some of "Adam's" blood in my freezer. Got a cold? Hit the blood. Dying? Hit the blood. Getting old? Hit the blood.

One of the downsides to the strike is that there isn't enough time for Sylar to get his powers back and go after Peter. He's in for a heck of a shock when he sees what else Peter can do now, and just how willing and able he seems to unleash his abilities.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

Would getting Adam's blood be a permanent change to Nathan? Or just a temporary one. Maybe Nathan will discover that he cannot be harmed like Adam, or maybe that he just recovers from injury much faster.

I wonder whats up with Nathan's wife, Heidi, and Mrs Petrelli. In the exchange they had, Heidi didn't seem to believe Mrs Petrelli...I wonder if Heidi will play a more important role.

I'm really not sure who is bad and who is good. Does the company really want to get rid of all mutants? If so, then is Adam really a vigilante trying to bring them down? Does Adam have a hidden agenda (probably does).

I'm not to keen on the Maya story line. It comes off as more of a filler than anything else. I'm sure it will develop, but I'm getting a bit tired of the "I did something wrong again" attitude. I hope Sylar will corrupt her and turn her evil. So you have a Sylar + Bob + Maya vs Adam + Peter showdown. Alejandro probably ends up giving his power to Peter who defeats the evil Maya.

Ohhh...Adam vs Maya... I wonder how that will work out.

[Rand{CLR}]

Maya/Alejandro is too much like Nikki and Paolo from Lost last season. I think everyone hates them. Better have a big payoff.

I'm pretty sure that even if Nathan's wife didn't believe Angela, she was so scared of her that she bailed. If you remember back to the beginning of the season, Nathan is at least separated now, and is actually barred from seeing the children.

So either she freaked out about Angela, believed the lie that Nathan was bonkers (most likely), or freaked out when she saw him walk into the house perfectly healthy.

I was actually starting to think we were seeing Angela's power last night. It may be persuasion. I wish the producers would just tell us what Angela and Kaito can/could do.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

I'm really not sure who is bad and who is good. Does the company really want to get rid of all mutants? If so, then is Adam really a vigilante trying to bring them down? Does Adam have a hidden agenda (probably does).

The show likes to have obvious good vs. evil w/ lots of gray areas...:D

The Company always seems to have something in the works that may appear to look good at first but in the end cause something evil. We know about the Company vs. Adam/Linderman/Maury but each thinks they are doing something for the greater good for their kind.

BTW if the strike goes on here's the rest of Season 2 (Volume Two: Generations):
11/19 #209 "Cautionary Tales"
11/26 #210 "Truth & Consequences "
12/03 #211 "Powerless" (Season Finale)
P.S. Season 3 will then start w/ the other part of Season 2 called "Volume Three: Exodus"

The Season Finale should be pretty dramatic too:
Those who are crabbing about too many newbies "should be patient," Loeb says. "They haven't gotten to the Dec. 3 episode, when we do our big housecleaning!"

[Tuqui-tuqui]

Maya/Alejandro is too much like Nikki and Paolo from Lost last season. I think everyone hates them. Better have a big payoff.

Indeed, Im getting tired of those two characters.. they seem to be going nowhere. Even so, the characters themselves are pretty one-dimensional, the power they both possess is incredible... I wonder who will keep/use those powers!

[BigTwinky]

Maya/Alejandro is too much like Nikki and Paolo from Lost last season. I think everyone hates them. Better have a big payoff.

Indeed, Im getting tired of those two characters.. they seem to be going nowhere. Even so, the characters themselves are pretty one-dimensional, the power they both possess is incredible... I wonder who will keep/use those powers!

Sylar will get Maya's brain. Alejandro escapes Sylar and ends up finding Peter. Someone is able to translate (or Peter can now speak Spanish) and Peter ends up getting Alejandro's power.

So when Sylar and Peter meet, Sylar uses his new found power to try and kill Peter, it ends up not working. Sylar gets this dumb WTF look on his face and Peter slams him with his electrical power.

[Trooper110]

Ya know......I'm kind of routing for Parkman with a sniper rifle from say 500 yards taking Sylar out :D

[Rand{CLR}]

Ya know......I'm kind of routing for Parkman with a sniper rifle from say 500 yards taking Sylar out :D

Sylar can hear the round being chambered. At least when he gets his powers back (assuming he gets the original set back). :twisted:

-Rand

[Trooper110]

Doesn't he have to kind of focus to hear it though, especially from that distance?

[BigTwinky]

As with all the powers, who knows what he needs or doesn't need to do. At first, when the powers are new, they do need to focus on using them. But as time progresses, they become more second nature.

Take Hiro in the first few episodes where he tried and tried to time shift vs now how easy it is for him to do it.

Or Peter in the future episode in season 1 where he can use his powers easily whenever he needs to vs now how he has to focus to phase through a wall.

How it would work with a hearing power to hear things from a distance without going totally insane hearing all noises from anywhere I do not know.

[Premonition]

adam seems like young character. I was thinking he might be sylars dad since that was never explained (at least not that i saw). What i dont get is how adams healing powers where considered dangerous? Is there and addiction involved of does his blood heal you then kill you? A healer hardly seems like the most feared person ever. Unless he like sylar has stolen others powers and thats only 1 of his hidden talents and he is out to steal peters powers.

[Trooper110]

He's feared because it doesn't matter what you do to him you can't kill him. I guess a nuclear blast or something that completely destroyed every cell might do it, but otherwise you're in a shitload of trouble if you piss him off because there's honestly not a lot you can do to stop him.

[Rand{CLR}]

Actually, he's feared because he's a sociopath, if you believe Bob anyway. And judging by his behavior in betraying Hiro, I do in this case.

He's about ethnic cleansing, vengence, anger, and hatred. And he's immortal, so he's got all the time in the world. None of them can kill him, so they locked him up.

Better to use some of the resources of the Company, and shoot him up into space in the guise of a satellite launch or something. They should already have some of his blood on ice unless they're complete idiots.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

He's about ethnic cleansing, vengence, anger, and hatred. And he's immortal, so he's got all the time in the world. None of them can kill him, so they locked him up.


I think he is dangerous and I agree with the sociopath part to some degree, but what in the shows we have seen has showsn that he is about ethnic cleansing? I can see the vengence as he wanted to get back at Hiro and he is angry about it and hates him. But its all Hiro focused, not generalized to ethnicity.

As for his powers, if he had more powers, I think he would of escaped the Company's prison cell in the last 30 years.

I'm not sure I see the link to Sylar's dad. I don't remember the early episodes in that level of detail, but you are right, they didn't mention anything about Sylar's dad. How old is Sylar? If Adam has been in "prison" for 30 years, would he have been able to father Sylar? The actor himself is 30 years old, so I guess its a possibility.

I think we have seen every other main character's father...Claire, Hiro, Mohinder, Matt, Peter, Nathan, Nikki, Micah. Although if he can't age, then he could be Noah's dad or Peter's grandfather or great grandfather.

[Rand{CLR}]

I think he is dangerous and I agree with the sociopath part to some degree, but what in the shows we have seen has showsn that he is about ethnic cleansing? I can see the vengence as he wanted to get back at Hiro and he is angry about it and hates him. But its all Hiro focused, not generalized to ethnicity.

Bob's comments to Nathan about Adam. He started talking about how Adam began to discuss purity, norms vs. those with power, etc. By ethnic cleansing in this context, he wants to wipe out the normals.

-Rand

[Premonition]

Thinking about it, it does kinda make sense....

1) hiro goes back in time and sees the symbol (the symbol is clearly used in present as the mark of death by adam. They said parkmans dad was just the instrument of adam.

2) kensi doesn't die (thats his power) so kenshi (or what ever his name is) is really adam

3) kenshi has no prob with changing history for his own benefit as learned from hiro. Now adam wants peter to change history to save people (so he says)

4) peter absorbs powers so wouldn't he absorb adams as well? So peter by all rights would be sylars main target and peters mom did say peter was the strongest of them. So what does adam want with peter? revenge on hiro maybe? Could this be why hiros father was killed first? In which hiro just found out about and will surely play a part in that story line as well.

5) so add in the new brother sister combo and the sister seems to have instant death powers and she is hanging with sylar. Instant death vs those who cant be killed.

But this still leaves the door open for adam being sylars father. So if the agency knew of sylar maybe the dr`s father was watching sylar since they captured adam and knew it might be genetic since his daughter was sick (first strain of the virus, way in the past). Kinda like in star wars with vadar to luke connection.

just shooting from the hip again on this stuff and i could be wrong 100% about all of it. Just rtying to peice the puzzle with what is known vs what is not known. Like sylar is 1 of the only main people whos father has not been revealed.

[BigTwinky]

1) hiro goes back in time and sees the symbol (the symbol is clearly used in present as the mark of death by adam. They said parkmans dad was just the instrument of adam.

4) peter absorbs powers so wouldn't he absorb adams as well? So peter by all rights would be sylars main target and peters mom did say peter was the strongest of them. So what does adam want with peter? revenge on hiro maybe? Could this be why hiros father was killed first? In which hiro just found out about and will surely play a part in that story line as well.

5) so add in the new brother sister combo and the sister seems to have instant death powers and she is hanging with sylar. Instant death vs those who cant be killed.


1) The symbol is used as Adam?s mark in present time, but its also used in many other instances. I remember seeing Peter?s tattoo in an early episode was that of the symbol. When Jessica was around, I remember her covering up the tattoo with some makeup in an episode. It has appeared in other instances throughout the shows. So its more than just a mark of death. Curious to know how it will develop

4) I?m still not sure on how Peter absorbs powers. Do people have to use them around Peter for him to absorb them? Do they have to come in physical contact with each other? Is Adam?s power in his blood? From what we have seen, then yes, Peter would have his power. But if its in his blood, maybe Nathan does as well?

Adam wants Peter to be his new tool, now that Maury (Parkman?s father) is out of the way

5) We know Adam can?t be killed by swords and arrows. We can assume bullets are in that list as well. We know Adam can?t be killed by physiological means, as he doesn?t age and has been alive for hundreds of years. But is Maya?s power, a supernatural power, something that also can?t harm Adam? Or will this be the one thing that CAN harm Adam and he has simply never encountered it. No one seems to know about Maya and Alejandro, not even the Company.


There is still the possibility of Sylar being Adam?s kid. I?m trying to think of where the story could go with that plot and I?m not sure. Maybe Adam fathered Sylar knowing that Sylar would have powers? He made him on purpose to have a son, a tool, to fix his plans? And now that he doesn?t know what happened to Sylar, he recruits Peter?

[Premonition]

well the star wars thing comes to mind with adam and peter. The emperor wanted darth vadar because he was so powerful. But with peter having hiros powers plus many others peter would be a perfect weapon to get revenge on hiro. What if peters brother dies (like anakins mom) we could see peter go more to the darkside with sylar being one of the few people strong enough to fight peter. Sylar has less power but better mastery, peter has more power but doesnt know his limits. A rematch so to say this could set up a team up of the 2 of them to fight adam. While syalr hates other people with power he doesnt wanna hurt innocent people and this could be a underlining factor in why adam will fight sylar and would make for a good time to reveal he is actually his father. adam uses peter, peter turns on adam, syslar comes back into the picture to fight peter to steal his powers then they team up to fight adam who wants to blow up the world?

sylar has been used in the grey area, you have to think they will ocnt to keep him from being either total evil or good unless they finally kill him off, which funny how he survived a sword stab (kinda like someone else who survived arrows when they first learned of that power.) Could this be the hint to adam being sylars dad? Could this be why the agency never wanted to kill sylar or why he has been shot a few times, fell from a ledge, stabbed and just doesn't die?

But im rooting for the doc to kill noah.... he needs to be shot. abduction, murder, etc etc.... whos to say he isnt hiding a bigger secret.

[Rand{CLR}]

Peter doesn't need active use of powers or physical contact to pick them up. He picked up insubstantiality from D.L. as D.L. was already wounded and in no condition to phase through anything--not to mention at least 30 feet away.

Sylar's original power is absorbion through radical brain surgery. Unless he was born with two powers, I don't think his healing came with the original package. He picked up a minor version of the ability somewhere along the way. But just having the same powers doesn't prove family lineage. Claire's father flies, and her mother makes fire, but she's got rapid regeneration as her power. The question is, which is the random quirk of genetics: Claire, or Matt having the exact same abilities as Maury?

I hope Suresh doesn't shoot Noah. If Noah dies, let him go out in a good way, not shot up by some pacifist dreaming pansy who is so confused right now he doesn't know what to do and can probably barely feed himself at the moment. :D

-Rand

[Trooper110]

Sylar is in no gray area. He's a psychopathic nutcase. He's killed countless people to absorb their powers and has already told Alejandro that when he gets his powers back he plans on killing him and Maya as well. All Sylar wants to do is kill everyone else showing any ability and absorb it. I think at first he just saw it as 'fixing' them, but now he's doing it purely for the power that he's receiving when he absorbs their powers.

Noah looks to be going down a bad road to me. He's cutting lots of ties for no apparent reasons and he seems less settled every time we see him dealing with something or someone. I get the feeling he's on the edge of cracking. I don't want to see him dead, and the producers have said that the paintings don't always show exactly what is to happen and how, look at the bomb in New York, but if Noah starts going over the edge anymore, his death may be necessary so a lot of others don't get hurt. Hell, we've seen the Haitian do things he wasn't supposed to before, he could well be involved in Noah's death as well.

[Premonition]

what makes noah any different than sylar? Noah admitted the comp. would dissect and kill those they felt like. they also used people with power to benefit them self. They abducted people, imprisoned them, erased their memories allowed them to kill innocent people (electric girl just did that). They will kill your family as well.

In most cases noah is worse than sylar. Noah has negatively effected most people involved in the series. linderman and the corp where involved together and it appears the blowing up of new york was planned.

lets not forget noah tried to kill his freind the invisible man in cold blood just for hiding a person with power. Some would say sylar tried to be a hero and tried to stop peter from blowing up new york. Where noah was just gonna let it happen.

There is a big grey area in this show. Sylar was painted as the bad guy, but as we seen so many people have ghost in their closet and none seem to as much as noah. Who is still lying to his family and murdering people.

[Trooper110]

Oh, I agree, Noah has some major major issues and I'm not sure where they're going with all of them. He became altruistic and wanted to help Claire when they wanted to take her, but beyond that I don't think he's changed from his former self one bit. He's probably going to get worse as this season progresses.

But there is no question about Sylar. He didn't try to kill Peter to stop the bomb, he tried to kill Peter to get his abilities. Sylar is plain and simple evil. He wants power for power's sake and he won't stop at anything to get it. Look what he did to the woman who rescued him (potentially)....he killed her in cold blood so he could have her power, with no provocation. We don't know what the plan there was, but he could have allowed to her to continue helping him, especially as he still had a big ass stab wound from Hiro's sword in his chest.

If allowed to live and continue, Sylar is just going to grow worse and more powerful if he regains he powers. Look at him that we saw in the future portraying himself as Nathan and running completely totalitarian regime where people with powers were hunted down, probably for his use.

[LIMEY]

Last nights episode was absolute genius! Especially the "surprise" at the end.

[Rand{CLR}]

+1. And what's going on with Matt right now can't be good for the future.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

Matt seems to be following in his father's footsteps. I guess its the whole thing about power corrupts.

I'm not shocked to see Adam as the Nakamura killer, pegged that one early on.

If Noah has Claire's powers now, then Nathan also has Adam's power, right? I'm still curious to see how this whole giving blood thing affect power transfer.

Mohinder is starting to annoy me.

2 more episodes left :cry:

[mapes]

Is it me or is Claires father Adam. since I'm coming into this in the middle I'm still picking up stuff

[Premonition]

Yesss they did it! Did you all see what happened? In 1 episode they turned the "good guy" doc into a bad guy :) who cant seem to trust anyone, or can he? maybe the one person he can trust is the worst char in the series. Him and sylar did seem to make a good team :)
But they made him dark enough to help sylar. But oddly they twisted the story. Predictable that hiro would go after peter to stop adam from being able to time travel and alter history.

Im still not ready to right off a big swurv with genetics. They seem to hint to hard to parent, children connection.
adam - claire
nathan - flying boyfreind
matt - father

oh snap... maybe peter is adopted :shock: thats why him and nathan are so different. The mystery woman might be peters mother.
miss patreli said something about the sold their gen to save matts. Could adam be the key? Could he be the first? Could it be his blood is what gives powers? They spent to much time on noah and claire to think they are just running for no reason. Maybe noah is running from adam (claires real father?)

Like normal im just guessing.... but sylar is coming and he has a girlfriend. I still wanted to think that death girl was the docs sister (who appeared to die as they said, but maybe giving adams blood she lived. The docs dad was the key. or maybe they are just there to reaffirm sylar as a bad guy but i doubt it. People dont seem to be dying they seem to be getting stronger.

[Slaughter]

Claire's father is Nathan.

[Premonition]

Is it me or is Claires father Adam. since I'm coming into this in the middle I'm still picking up stuff

I think so to... you posted first :) But no... as of right now peters brother is claires father (at least thats what played out in season 1). I think there is more to it though. They spent a lot of time on hoah and claire to just be running for no reason. There is a reason noah is scared and i think its adam.

as matts father showed matt the power changes. As Claire saw in the episode titled lizards her power is also changing.

lets not forget matt and the doc where sylars right hand men in the future. Now that sylar killed the girl who can change perception....... Im just saying isnt it odd that both the doc and matt where right along with sylar in season 1. anyways im ready for some good fighting :)

[Rand{CLR}]

If anyone wants some clarity on Adam's way of thinking, go check out the most recent graphic novel on the official page. Just google Heroes Novels and it will pop right up. :2thumbs:

-Rand

[LIMEY]

With Mohinder, he could go either way. I actually think he's more likely to plug Bob with that hand-cannon of his than Noah. Most likely, making a decision as Bob and Noah are in some sort of face-off with one another. I just hope they don't kill off Noah. We need a moral ambiguous, and more importantly, human, badass running around, instead of just two good badasses in Peter and Hiro, and two evil ones in Sylar and Adam.

Here's a question though: Bob is a transmuter. Can he change the composition of a bullet as it's in the air coming to him? Say, to Nerf instead of lead and steel? :twisted:

-Rand

Hmmm, looks like I got you with Mohinder so far :)

[BigTwinky]

Interesting about the picture of Noah being dead and Claire + West in the background?. Noah is wearing a plaid shirt. I don?t believe he was wearing that shirt in the episode.

Is this going to happen again? Some sort of alternate reality or maybe Hiro screwing with the timeline?

[LIMEY]

Interesting about the picture of Noah being dead and Claire + West in the background?. Noah is wearing a plaid shirt. I don?t believe he was wearing that shirt in the episode.

Is this going to happen again? Some sort of alternate reality or maybe Hiro screwing with the timeline?

good eye Twink

[Premonition]

ok im shoot for this... anyone feel free to tell if it sounds way off or out there.

Well i cant get it out my head but i think "save the cheerleder save the world" might apply to this season. Last season we thought it ment stop sylar from becoming pres. But this virus seems to be world threatening.

Where does the virus come from? We know it effected the docs sister and she suppodely died and his father found a cure shorty after. The agency knows all this so there appears to be a tie between the virus and the doc. Ok this is out there a little but what if they took the blood from the girl (that makes people die). What if her power is that of disease and not instant death. Like the bible in revelations. We think the brother can heal the disease if caught early (sounds familiar doesnt it). sylar kills her brother and she looses it and her power goes out of control.

there seems to be group stories like last season
sylar, sister, brother, doc, claire, noah
matt, nathan, nathens mother, molly, matts dad, mystery char
hiro, peter, adam, agency

I just cant see how the sister and brother play into this. Maybe the writer strike screwed them over from letting those chars evolve. I wanna think the sister causes the disease. But with only 2 episodes left they are running out of time to involve sylar and i wonder if he isnt gonna get pushed into next season.

[Rand{CLR}]

With Mohinder, he could go either way. I actually think he's more likely to plug Bob with that hand-cannon of his than Noah. Most likely, making a decision as Bob and Noah are in some sort of face-off with one another. I just hope they don't kill off Noah. We need a moral ambiguous, and more importantly, human, badass running around, instead of just two good badasses in Peter and Hiro, and two evil ones in Sylar and Adam.

Here's a question though: Bob is a transmuter. Can he change the composition of a bullet as it's in the air coming to him? Say, to Nerf instead of lead and steel? :twisted:

-Rand

Hmmm, looks like I got you with Mohinder so far :)

Yeah. I didn't peg Mohinder to be the peer pressure, weak-minded little wuss fool. My bad.

-Rand

[Tuqui-tuqui]

... Hmmm, looks like I got you with Mohinder so far :)

Yeah. I didn't peg Mohinder to be the peer pressure, weak-minded little wuss fool. My bad.

-Rand

I hate Mohinder right now... I didn't think Noah's death would impact me so much but it actually made me jump out of my chair. I mean, it was obvious he was going to die, but the way they portrayed every shot really impacted. Noah is starting to become one of my favorite characters. And what an ending! Oh and Ellen finding out about her "father"? Can we see a breakdown of the company from within? :D

[BigTwinky]

Mohinder did have his own agenda. I?m not sure how much of his last few episodes actions where part of his plan. I wonder where he is keeping Noah now and if the company knows anything about it?

I?m really not liking the Sylar / Maya thing. I would of loved to Alejandro to kick Sylar?s butt and discover some new powers or an extension of his powers. I hope that tangent dies off quickly.

So? Mohinder finds Nikki and goes back with her, Miccah and the mimick girl and head back to New York to save Molly from Maya and Sylar. Hiro manages to convince Peter that Adam is bad and together they trap him somewhere else again (or blow off his head as Victoria Pratt mentioned).

I?m so looking forward to a Claire vs Elle fight, and this is where Claire will find out she is as powerful as Adam. Save the cheerleader, save the world!

[LIMEY]

Two heroes will fall next week, I think it will be Adam and Elle

[Rand{CLR}]

The company must know about Mohinder/Noah, because Mohinder wasn't around when Claire's blood was drawn--Bob took it.

Also, Mohinder is already in NYC; he's just going to turn the cab around and go home, not fly out to New Orleans when Molly is in trouble.

I'm hoping Sylar offs Maya soon. We saw him injecting himself with Claire's blood. I wonder if that will bring his previous abilities back, and also what effect that may have on his abilities. He seems to need something about the brain, whether he eats them or just studies them, to gain powers. Would he retain Claire's healing power from her blood?

Overall, this episode was fairly weak except for the Peter/Hiro/Adam bits, but it was setup for what should be a kickass finale. I'm going to be very curious to see how it all plays out, and how it ends. Apparently they filmed several endings, not just the two I knew about but don't have details or info on (one that would have ended Volume 2, and one that would serve as a full season finale because of the strike--I read recently that there may be as many as two others).

-Rand

P.S. My picks for heroes to fall: Niki, and, um...hm. I dunno. I would have said Parkman until he started controlling people and now he's got too much potential for descent into evil. Elle/Kirsten Bell is signed for 13 episodes, so probably not her unless that was a red herring. Maybe Nathan. Volume 3 was supposed to be called Exodus, and may have made sense given some things I've picked up to have Nathan stay around and the Shanti Virus get out, but that's less likely in light of the strike.

[BigTwinky]

Mohinder was working with Claire?s blood to make the antidote for Nikki. So he had access to the blood and could probably of taken a sample, or part of a sample, to use on Noah. I don?t think the company knows that Noah is alive.

However, with the company being what it is, you would think that they would have a ?clean up? crew ready to go when someone gets offed like that. Else, it would lead to police investigations. Or did they clean up the body and bring it back to the Company and that is where Mohinder stepped in?

I thought Mohinder was in NO and not in NYC. He said he was on his way, so I assumed he would of called Nikki when he got in a cab there. I probably missed something, as usual. hehe

I?ve always said that Sylar gets his powers by learning and studying. He was able to know what was wrong with clocks and fix them so easily. I always saw his power gain as cracking someone?s skull open and studying their brain. He probably goes all white eyed like Mendez does when using his power. I don?t see where eating them would come into play.

That being said, I don?t know if he could retain the power. Most powers come from the mind. You have to think about it to use it. But Claire?s power is something that is part of her, that she can?t control. It happens on its own. So once you have it, then its in you. The question is how much of it is needed for it to be permanent?

Heroes to die? I agree that Nikki is a good pick. Makes Miccah into a poor orphan and with no one to really guide him, he becomes a crime fighter with his cousin. But that might be TOO obvious. Mohinder does have the antidote. Or will Miccah get stabbed with the virus and Nikki give the one dose to Miccah? Who knows?

Elle?s character is still fresh and interesting. They seem to want to play on her rebelling against the company by having Noah plant the seeds in her when he captured her.
Parkman, Peter, Hiro, Claire, Mohinder, they all survive.

With Peter saying that Adam saved his brother, they could be setting something up where Adam ends up killing Nathan, and Peter kills Adam in turn. Nathan hasn?t been doing much and I don?t see where any story can link into him at this point.

[Trooper110]

After Mohinder asked Nicci if she was still in NO he said that he'd be on the next flight, aka he's in NYC.

My roommate and I can't decide if Sylar eats the brain or just cuts it out and looks at it. I've always kinda leaned towards him eating it because you never see any brain matter when there's a body from the person he's killed. On the other hand he may dissect it so much that there's not much left to see anymore. I'm still leaning back and forth on that one.

I think the thing with Maya is either going to turn in to Sylar turning her in to a twisted little disciple and her eventually finding out about Alejandro and turning on Sylar, or Sylar waiting only long enough to regain his power before he kills her for her power. He's shown time and again he's interested in other 'heroes' only to take their powers to make himself stronger, so I can't make up my mind. I'd guess that no one keeps Claire's power with only a blood infusion. It's like when they do them now, the other blood with different DNA goes in to your body and is diluted and eventually changed to become your blood. I think her restorative powers last a very short time only until her blood is absorbed in to your body and changed to match your own blood. Although from all evidence, Sylar should regain his powers, as Claire and Adam's blood both seem to restore the body to 'new' after any injury, heck, Noah was dead and came back from it.

As far as Heroes dying, I'm leaning towards either Hiro or Peter, it looks like they have a bit of a showdown coming on, although they could join forces and kill Adam, I'm not sure where they could go with Adam once strain 138 is destroyed or released.

And I'm thinking that West could be one of the Heroes that dies. I know he's new this season, but honestly, what else are they going to do with him once this story arc finishes? He seems to have played his main points out already, although I guess he could continue on in the roll of Claire's boyfriend and helping her with her new idea of telling the world.

I don't think Nicci is going to die yet. There's too much they could still do with her character as far as discovering she has strength without Jessica's take over of her body, and how they can tie her in with Micah and the cousin.

Maya or Sylar could end up dead as well, depending on the outcome of that story arc. We've seen Mohinder and Parkman are both willing to kill, especially when it comes to protecting Molly or others they care for. I think potentially both of them could end up in the apartment with Sylar and Maya, in which case any one of the 5, or 2 of the 5 could end up dead in a variety of ways.

And yeah, with Elle there's way too much they can do with her, as BigTwinky said.

Nathan is another good potential for death, possibly trying to help Peter or Adam out and getting in the way of those trying to stop them, or coming in against them and having Peter or Adam kill him off, which could then be why Peter kills Adam.

Ahhhhhhh, too many possibilities. Must.....not.....go......crazy.......waiting.....f or.....next.....week!!

[BigTwinky]

I knew I missed something obvious with the Mohinder in NYC hehe. Thanks!

Not sure about Adam. The whole love thing between he and Claire is so setting it up for him flying in in a future episode to save her from something. Or maybe that its...he'll fly in and give his life for her. I don't like the kid, I find he is more filler than anything else.

Why would he have to eat the brain? What would be the purpose in there? He has been shown as someone who can learn how things work via studying them. What would eating something do to give him the power?

Maybe there is no brain because brains are so complex that he removes it and takes it back somewhere else to study, when he can do so uninterupted. A clock is pretty simple and can take a minute or less but a brain would take much longer to study, specially if they are all different because of the powers of the heroes.

[Rand{CLR}]

Eating brains is just fan code for whatever the heck it is he does with them, since they don't exactly show those bits.

-Rand

[Rand{CLR}]

Wow, lots going on. They definitely changed the ending because of the strike from what it appears and what was out there in spoiler forums for the original ending. Volume 3 has a new title, Villains. Sounds intriguing, particularly with Sylar having his powers back. One good thing about the strike: maybe Zachary Quinto is done playing Spock before it ends so he can come right back.

Mama Petrelli wasn't kidding when she said they unleased Pandora's Box (btw, the shooter definitely looked like Noah. Is he able to get to Odessa in time for that?). Peter is going to be super pissed, and Sylar is going to be super pissed, though Angela probably doesn't know about him at the moment. Hiro seems to be in something of a state of shock, but I'm hoping Peter and Hiro get back in tight so we have a badass Batman/Robin dynamic going on.

I'm wondering if Peter has enough presence of mind to at least try his blood on Nathan. Niki dead=good riddance. Nathan dead=boo! No more Adrian Pasdar, who's the best pure actor on the show.

I loved Bob's picture of him and the giant fish.

-Rand

[Trooper110]

Pretty incredible, yeah. I definitely want to know if Peter tries his blood on Nathan and if it works. And with Niki, I'm not so sure she's dead. There were a few seconds that we didn't have her in view where she could have done something. Guess it depends on what they're doing with Micah and his cousin.

I thought the shooter looked like Noah as well, and it could well have been a few days until they had the press conference set up, enough time for Noah to get there with no trouble.

I thought Hiro's solution to Adam was a good one, although being effectively immortal, there's a good chance he could escape somehow in the future, he should have just cut off his head and ended it for good.

Next season is going to be pretty incredible though I think.

[Rand{CLR}]

The thing with Adam is oxygen. Presumably he runs out after a few hours--does he go into suspended animation? Does he still function and manage to stay conscious without? If it wasn't for that, he could simply start hammering his own way out of the thing. It would take a very long time and mess his hands up, but he'll heal as soon as he gets hurt and it wouldn't take anywhere near as long as 30 years.

The "s" in Vol 3: Villains leaves hope he'll be back in Volume 3. Someone has to join Sylar, unless maybe the Company becomes the Villains of the title.

-Rand

[BigTwinky]

The show was very good. I loved the part with Parkman trying to control Peter's mind and Peter controlling him right back.

Its not the end for Adam. I also think its not the end of Niki.
I do think its then end for Nathan. Its the one event in Peter's life that will make him a good guy, kinda like Batman losing his parents.

And I'm getting a little annoyed at this "lets kill someone and make them come back to life". It was fun at first, but now it seems to happen all the time. Although I was hoping Maya would be really dead.

I'm not to keen on Sylar coming back. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm getting an overall feeling of "oh, here we go again".

I'm liking the new Elle and the spin on trying to make her into a good person, or kinda. She will probably end up killing Bob later on.

And I also think it was Noah who was the shooter. The guy had his body type. I think its all part of the deal he made with Bob to keep his family safe. It also ties in to the deal as Noah said to his family that he had to keep the Company's secrets safe. So he is still acting on the same logic in killing Nathan as he was about to say he could fly.

And this one's for you Rand

http://heroeswiki.com/images/b/bc/Goldfish.JPG

[Rand{CLR}]

Sweet. Big fish FTW.

There's a certain sense of poetry in Claire's daddy killing her other daddy.

-Rand

[Premonition]

well im liked and kinda disliked it. The new season chars seem to be fillers and not much more. Sylar never really needed the sister and brother nor did they play any useful part except to make the story better. To reaffirm sylar is still the bad guy.

Noah was cool. I was starting to hate the paranoid "lets move" person. But they left the door open for him and the good doc to get back into another fight. Remember the doc found the same niki strain in sylar so he knows they where using it as a weapon. They can never kill the doc off though. His intros and narrator parts are kick @ss! He has to live just for them if nothing else.

Adam was another waste. I still dont see him as being worse than sylar. His char seemed rushed and incomplete.
Peter and hiro fight was cool and parkman got pwned again!

Anywho... it was another cool episode but it could have been better. All the season 2 chars really didnt matter or fit into the main story. Was L benched for noah and it probably was him or will they introduce a new char as a assassin maybe a "bullseye" type char.

But atleast sylar is back and he was pretty cool with a gun instead of his powers. I wonder if he got the powers of the girl who saved him and what he could do with that.

[Mute]

I think they were laying the ground work with these characters for some potential epic conflicts, but i think with the writers strike and having to cut the season short, they just didnt have time to fuse it all together. I think if theyd had time to do a full season two, the adam + peter thing could have gone a lot further, instead of just teleporting him to a coffin. They could have worked more with the powered down niki, and used the brother sister thing a bit more, maybe forcing mohinder to use the virus against her to save the city from her going out of control over finding out the loss of her brother or something. Anyway i thought it was good, but cutting it short made it less then it could have been.

[Rand{CLR}]

I think they were laying the ground work with these characters for some potential epic conflicts, but i think with the writers strike and having to cut the season short, they just didnt have time to fuse it all together. I think if theyd had time to do a full season two, the adam + peter thing could have gone a lot further, instead of just teleporting him to a coffin. They could have worked more with the powered down niki, and used the brother sister thing a bit more, maybe forcing mohinder to use the virus against her to save the city from her going out of control over finding out the loss of her brother or something. Anyway i thought it was good, but cutting it short made it less then it could have been.

Adam's fate was the same in this "finale" as it's been projected for some time in the spoilers, even before the writer's strike changed the ending, so that probably wouldn't have changed. What would have changed were the circumstances of Nathan and gang. It's possible the virus would have gotten out, and led to some big stuff.

What would be interesting would be to hear from the producers about the strike's impact, and the significance of Volume Three's name change from Exodus to Villians.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

New season starts on 9/22 (Chuck starts the same week too!)...:2thumbs:
Main site has a small clip for Heroes: Villians...I expect it to be pretty action packed compared to what we got in Heroes: Generations.

BTW we should start a Villians thread once it gets close to 9/22.

[Rand{CLR}]

Agreed. Definitely need a Villains thread.

They screened the entire first episode at ComicCon. Spoiler-filled descriptions are out there, and it seems like a very cool episode.

-Rand

[Trooper110]

I vote they all shut up and just give me the episode now.....

[BigTwinky]

i Vote They All Shut Up And Just Give Me The Episode Now.....

+1,000,000