Do you believe in Evolution?

[thedeadlyassassin]

I say no, and I'll give my reasons later so this thread doesn't become a thread about people agreeing/disagreeing with my beliefs.

I've been asked the question a lot lately, so I thought I'd bring it up.

Keep it cool and clean though, remember everyone has their own beliefs.

[{CLR}geneSW]

This can get really ugly really quick. Will be interesting to see every bodies view though.

[Trooper110]

I believe in evolution. I'm agnostic.....I'm willing to believe in a higher power, but I want to see some kind of proof. I don't believe that we were created out of dust in the image of our maker, but I'm willing to believe that the Universe as a whole was created by a higher being and that we've evolved to fill in a specific niche and to evolve beyond that. We're not the end all and the one species, but we're one, if not the only, intelligent species to evolve within our galaxy.

I'm sorry but I just can't believe in Divine Intervention and all of that. At this point I'm willing to believe in a higher power that has created our universe, but I'm not willing to believe that our species (homosapien) has been created to bring all others within the fold and to the true god. There's too many religions out there with similar philosophies if you discount the radicals to either side of the issue, and I'm not willing to place blind faith in one of them, especially something as radical as the far Catholic or Muslim right, or left for that matter.

All in all, until I see some reality of God or a "higher power" being in existance, I'm willing to believe in almost anything, or at the least, a supreme being that has created the *basis* of reality as we know it.

[Prey_for_Death]

I believe in evolution because life as to Evolve for life to go on.

[thedeadlyassassin]

Why I don't believe in evolution is simple.


If we came from monkeys, how come they are still around? And how come there are no Half man Half Monkey's out there?

Also, there may not be proof in a god, though I believe in god, but where's the proof in evolution? The fact that we look like monkeys? Act like monkeys? Don't dogs act like wolves? So big mean fierce wolves suddenly evolved into a lil poodle?

I don't believe that a big godly hand touched earth with a few zaps and suddenly appeared a naked dude and a naked chick, infact I don't believe in many things that are in the bible, but I just don't see how evolution exists.

I believe in Adaptation however. Asians have those "tiny eyes" because of many assets in Asia, and also grew the pigments if they live in the USA or other places besides Asia. They didn't evolve into being "tiny eyed"


I love this south park clip, but before you view it remember that it IS south park, and is kinda foul, but hilarious as hell.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7079290349652755994&q=Evolution%3A+south+park+version&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Dead_And_Gone]

Evolution?

Why do people from the desert countries have (Usually) longer noses?
To help filter out the sand.

Why do eskimo's have more skin layers than any other group?
Because of the cold.

If we all came from the same original ancestors, then I'd say that we "Evolved" to better fit our geographical areas. Humans are VERY adaptable.

Toy dog breeds were made from unusually small specimens of a normal sized breed. Eventually the genetics solidified into a Normal Toy sized dog breed that stayed true. This could be called "Forced" evolution in a way.

Clydsdale's didn't just "Happen".

And this doesn't have to take into account any of the Religious books. :D
That open's up an entirely Different kettle of fish.

[Kriotek]

i for one dont beleive in a higher being of such i am a fateist i beleive in the fates and the fact that if it happens it hapens and there aint no way to stop it.

but as for evolution yes there is proof that we evolved from monkeys the first evolution was Australopithecus Afarensis and there was a different strain from us that came from the monkeys which was Homo Neanderthalensis but they couldnt adapt and died of in the ice age o yeah and there is Homo Floresiensis.

the only reason a dog doesnt look like a wolf but still acts like it is cos we interveined in its evolution which hasnt changed for thousands of years humans created the "toy dogs" by breading diferent types together till they got the desired effect they wanted which goes the same for horses and livestock.

but it doesnt stop you from beleiveing what you beleive in im just a person that likes to know these sort of facts.

[Murphy420]

I believe in evolution because life as to Evolve for life to go on.
THATS A BIG +1,000,000

[BigTwinky]

I'm also a strong believer in evolution. There are examples of evolution all around us. Problem is, a single human is not alive long enough to witness the evolution taking place.

As for a higher power, I don't think there is one. I think that religion is just a thing people use when they have to believe in something, when they don't understand.

Take how the acient greeks and romans viewed religion.

"Oh...thunder...Zeus must be angry!".
Then, as time went on, people understood where thunder came from. They simply didn't know, and had a need to fill a lack of knowledge, so they used something like religion to fill that gap.

I'm not saying religion is bad, it can be great for people. It can be something that people use to stay grounded, to stay accountable for their actions. I prefer living by a morale code, staying true to values and respect, then simply and blindly do something because of God.

[paceman]

As others have pointed out, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

[LIMEY]

Evolution is part of intelligent design

[baconoclock]

As others have pointed out, it doesn't have to be one or the other.


Yep, what i was about to post. saved me some time :D .

/BTW i am religous and believe in evolution.

[TheDeadMeat]

Here is your giant Can 'O Worms sir. Please drive through!

"It is said that when science finally peers over the crest of mountain into the summit; it will find that religion has been sitting there all along."

The great Peter O'Toole in the "Creator"

I am a closet evolutionist. I'm active in church; go every Sunday/Wednesday. I sit there during "evolution bashing week" and wonder if anyone knows what I am thinking and will they burn me at the stake.

I'm a believer in both! Yes both. I think God created a wonderful universe with lots of things for us to wonder about. He also gave us the insatiable desire to wonder about those things. Gives us things to do and choices to make. Just like my kid. I let him make more and more of his own choices as he grows older.

If you stop to think about how complex things are down to the molecule (and below); how things work but shouldn't, you gotta wonder about a master designer. We pretend that we can explain everything with science but in fact we cannot. We can get close; but never can fully explain it or even duplicate it. Of course then you'll hear someone say "oh in a hundred years we will" Been a hundred years. Ain't explained everything yet.

[MrHazz]

I think we were here from some other galaxy. A long long time ago some drunk kids crashed into this planet and said there was no way they are telling there mother or father that they crashed there new spaceship.
Now here we are. :D

[MrHazz]

Here is your giant Can 'O Worms sir. Please drive through!

"It is said that when science finally peers over the crest of mountain into the summit; it will find that religion has been sitting there all along."

The great Peter O'Toole in the "Creator"

I am a closet evolutionist. I'm active in church; go every Sunday/Wednesday. I sit there during "evolution bashing week" and wonder if anyone knows what I am thinking and will they burn me at the stake.

I'm a believer in both! Yes both. I think God created a wonderful universe with lots of things for us to wonder about. He also gave us the insatiable desire to wonder about those things. Gives us things to do and choices to make. Just like my kid. I let him make more and more of his own choices as he grows older.

If you stop to think about how complex things are down to the molecule (and below); how things work but shouldn't, you gotta wonder about a master designer. We pretend that we can explain everything with science but in fact we cannot. We can get close; but never can fully explain it or even duplicate it. Of course then you'll hear someone say "oh in a hundred years we will" Been a hundred years. Ain't explained everything yet.

:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Get out of my head man! :D Very well said.

Here is something this one man once said.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is bline.
Albert Einstein

[toxic_tomato]

i believe in it because yes adam and eve were the first and ONLY people on Earth and they probaly had a son or daughter(i dont really remember)but then what?..did other people just pop up..or did they do what i think they did.. :? but i do belive there is a higher power that is watching over us..but frankly i just try not to get into this kind of stuff cause then im really confused after words and have no idea what to believe in..

[BigTwinky]

No, we haven't explained everything in 100 years. That is such a short time span.

But look at what we HAVE been able to explain in the last 100 years vs the last 300 before that. Leaps and bounds.

Sure, not all progress is for the better, look at the state of our planet, the wars (which most are based on religious beliefs), poverty, crime, and so on.

But we have learned alot in a very short time span.

Imagine the world and diseases prior to penicillin. Image what those people would have been discussing when talking about religion and evolution.

Its hard to fathom a higher power starting it all off. It sounds like an easy explanation for it. Is it true? Who knows.

People are allowed to have their own beliefs, believe in the gods that they believe in, whatever they are called. If feel the need to have a god that will hold you accountable for your sins and thus make you live a richous life, go for it, its your right.

In the distant past, most things were accredited with the will of a god. As time went on, less was the will of a god, and more was nature being nature. I'd love to see how far these explanations will go.

However, neither of us will be here to know. Kinda sucks, don't it?

[alpha]

There are examples of evolution all around us. Problem is, a single human is not alive long enough to witness the evolution taking place.

actually, you can prove evolution in about a day with 20 minutes of work. Take a petri dish and fill it with some colony of bacteria, there is an easy set of bacteria that glow under UV light. next put some anti-bacterial soap on them. A few will survive due to having mutations that allow them to be immune to the soap, allow them to reproduce for while, count the colonies, then put the same soap on again and count them again, you will see that the bacteria all evolved to be immune to the the soap, and almost none will die.

Thats
genetic mutation
a harsh environment
and survival of the fittest

aka evolution

[minfootball]

my view is obscured because i for one am religious but i also have my own beliefs that differ from my churchs (missouri synod Lutheran).

i believe that what scientists are proving to be true (big bang, evolution,..) that when god made the earth it was in seven days his time, which could be millions of years our time.

i believe that to make us god used evolution and such instead of instantaneous creation he molded us much like an artist starting with a rough sketch and working towards a finished product.

[WhIsKyTaNgO1]

:angel:

[TheDeadMeat]

No, we haven't explained everything in 100 years. That is such a short time span.

But look at what we HAVE been able to explain in the last 100 years vs the last 300 before that. Leaps and bounds.



Very true. We have made great strides in the past few THOUSAND years but these are inventions and ideas. Necessity is the Motherhood of Invention. Things we cannot explain are sometimes products of our works.

Evolution itself is HORRIBLY flawed but it is a plausible representation of theory and observable facts. Why are monkeys still monkeys? They came from the same apes as we did right? Perhaps they didn't get the memo. Perhaps is a geographical problem. Right place;right time.

Take the brain. We can do great things in neurological medicine. We can explain how the brain works.....kinda. We can make repairs...but not all of them.

The pyramids of Giza were built around 3200 B.C. Do a google on how many different theories there are on building those marvels.

Point is we are not as smart as we think we are or would like to be. The more you learn; the more you realize the little you know.

I love these discussions as long as they don't turn into a pissing match. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[{CLR} Naillik]

I pressed the wrong button. I meant to say NO.
I'm not religious or anything remotely related to religion, but I believe that we were here from the beginning, but simply adapted, not evolved.

[jaspurr]

Looks like the Ned Flanders brigade are losing this one big style. I don't know how I got here, dad tried to explain once but that was too scary to listen too :shock: Serously we evolved, whether from apes of a creature similar to apes who knows. I believe I am only here once so I am off to enjoy it.

Oh yes, deadlyassasin, I don't mean to scare you but there are half man monkeys out there, they are all around us, just look a bit closer. You know that guy next door who scrapes his knuckles on the ground when he walks upright. I think you guys call them red necks :wink:

[LIMEY]

Looks like the Ned Flanders brigade are losing this one big style. I don't know how I got here, dad tried to explain once but that was too scary to listen too :shock: Serously we evolved, whether from apes of a creature similar to apes who knows. I believe I am only here once so I am off to enjoy it.

Oh yes, deadlyassasin, I don't mean to scare you but there are half man monkeys out there, they are all around us, just look a bit closer. You know that guy next door who scrapes his knuckles on the ground when he walks upright. I think you guys call them red necks :wink:

I take exception to the idea that anyone religious is Ned Flanders like, I myself am a Christian and I do not think I am anything like Flanders, I am more like Mr. Burns :)

[TheDeadMeat]

Oh yes, deadlyassasin, I don't mean to scare you but there are half man monkeys out there, they are all around us, just look a bit closer. You know that guy next door who scrapes his knuckles on the ground when he walks upright. I think you guys call them red necks :wink:

I beg to differ Sir!! I am a certified Red Neck and my knuckles do not scrape.

Scuff perhaps.

[omfg karl marx]

Why I don't believe in evolution is simple.

If we came from monkeys, how come they are still around? And how come there are no Half man Half Monkey's out there?
Different areas of the world have different conditions. Certain areas may not have had conditions to optimally support life. Homo habilis, for example, had to create tools to survive. That doesn't mean that every member of the habilis species possessed that ability. The ones that could survived and later evolved into Homo erectus and then into Homo heidelbergensis and finally into Homo sapiens sapiens. We are the result of the best of the best of various prior beings.

Also, there may not be proof in a god, though I believe in god, but where's the proof in evolution? The fact that we look like monkeys? Act like monkeys? Don't dogs act like wolves? So big mean fierce wolves suddenly evolved into a lil poodle?
Fossils. We can trace a line from the great apes to Australopithecus to Homo habilis to Homo ergaster to Homo erectus to Homo heidelbergensis to us, Homo sapiens sapiens.

I don't believe that a big godly hand touched earth with a few zaps and suddenly appeared a naked dude and a naked chick, infact I don't believe in many things that are in the bible, but I just don't see how evolution exists.
Your loss. You should know better. Many, many years ago, The Flying Spaghetti Monster came down, and created a hill, a tree, and a Midget.

I believe in Adaptation however. Asians have those "tiny eyes" because of many assets in Asia, and also grew the pigments if they live in the USA or other places besides Asia. They didn't evolve into being "tiny eyed"
How is adaptation different though? Evolution would just be a more long term form of adaptation.

[thedeadlyassassin]

I'd really like someone to explain to me however how there are still monkeys out there and practically none are endangered or near endangered yet humans have been around for what 200 million years or was it?


Again I believe in Adaptation, not evolution.

[Trooper110]

Because the monkeys we evolved from are not around any longer. You could go along the lines of saying that the anaconda is the biggest snake and that it evolved from smaller snakes, so why are smaller snakes still around? They're around because the anaconda was a different species of snake that evolved to it's current size because of environmental, floral, fauna, many factors.

If you compare homo sapiens sapiens DNA to the DNA from various species of monkeys, we have parts that match up and are similar, but aren't the same. You get the same thing if you compare a gorilla's DNA to that of a chimpanzee, or a lemur, or a baboon. They all have similar DNA, which matches up closest to ours compared to any other mammalian species, but none of it is exactly the same.

[TheDeadMeat]

Ape-like not modern monkeys and apes. They came from the same line as we did. We are a new breed just as the other breeds of modern monkeys. Just like other animals, some are smarter than others. Some developed a skill that they needed to survive just as they changed coats or color.

Plus again, the theory is flawed and will probably never been fully explained unless we build a time machine.

ooooo that's a good topic. TIME TRAVEL!!

[omfg karl marx]

I'd really like someone to explain to me however how there are still monkeys out there and practically none are endangered or near endangered yet humans have been around for what 200 million years or was it?


Again I believe in Adaptation, not evolution.
Don't think of monkeys as being one group. Say for example, monkeys are grouped in three areas. Group 1, as a result of climate change, finds themselves living in the jungle. They adapt to that lifestyle. They eat only foliage. Now suppose, Group 2 lived south of Group 1. As a result of changing weather patterns and climate, the area has become very dry and desert-like. Group 2 now faces a problem, how to get food and water. They can't figure out a solution, so they die off. Group 3 which lived to the west of Group 2, was also facing droughts. They, however, adapt by losing their hair, starting to eat meat, and store water inside of hollowed eggs. They survive unlike Group 2. Group 1 does not face these challenges and remain unchanged.

You might call that adapting to your surroundings, but that's pretty much what evolution is, many adaptations to a group that aren't common to the whole species. Therefore, they become a "new" species.

[drunken_chef]

you keep saying that man evolved from monkeys. that is not true. we evolved from apes.

at any rate modern day monkeys and apes have all evolved over time. just as all life has. if you were some how able to travel back in time. you wouldn't see modern day monkeys, you would find there genetic ancestors.

on a side note. scientists have decoded the DNA of man and chimpanzee(i believe theyre on the verge of having cromagnon man too). our DNA has less than a 1% difference from chimps. that means that we are more closely related to chimps than rats are to mice.

[Rand{CLR}]

I'd really like someone to explain to me however how there are still monkeys out there and practically none are endangered or near endangered yet humans have been around for what 200 million years or was it? Again I believe in Adaptation, not evolution.

Well, first, your statement on monkeys that "practically none are endangered or near endangered" is just flat out wrong. Almost all simian species are in the near-extinction classification.

Modern man is only about 40,000 or so years old, if that.

I'd like to see your explanation of how adaptation is different than evolution. Here's some biological definitions of the words (taken from Dictionary.com. I don't have a Britannica handy right now). There are two definitions for each word, and they line up by source (unabridged Dictionary.com, and American heritage Dictionary):

Adaptation:

4. Biology. a. any alteration in the structure or function of an organism or any of its parts that results from natural selection and by which the organism becomes better fitted to survive and multiply in its environment.
b. a form or structure modified to fit a changed environment.
c. the ability of a species to survive in a particular ecological niche, esp. because of alterations of form or behavior brought about through natural selection.

Biology An alteration or adjustment in structure or habits, often hereditary, by which a species or individual improves its condition in relationship to its environment.


Evolution:

Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

Biology. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.

They essentially mean the same thing, from the biological perspective. How do you view them differently?

-Rand

[{CLR} Naillik]

you keep saying that man evolved from monkeys. that is not true. we evolved from apes.

Monkeys are apes. Same group.

[omfg karl marx]

Monkeys are apes. Same group.

Monkeys and Apes are of the Primate family, but that's where the similarities end. They're about as close of relation as Zebras and Horses are (both are of the family Perissodactyla).

[{CLR} ObiTroy]

After I found out the truth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, God didn't have a chance.

[jaspurr]

Looks like the Ned Flanders brigade are losing this one big style. I don't know how I got here, dad tried to explain once but that was too scary to listen too :shock: Serously we evolved, whether from apes of a creature similar to apes who knows. I believe I am only here once so I am off to enjoy it.

Oh yes, deadlyassasin, I don't mean to scare you but there are half man monkeys out there, they are all around us, just look a bit closer. You know that guy next door who scrapes his knuckles on the ground when he walks upright. I think you guys call them red necks :wink:

I take exception to the idea that anyone religious is Ned Flanders like, I myself am a Christian and I do not think I am anything like Flanders, I am more like Mr. Burns :)

So who is your Smithers? :shock:

[thedeadlyassassin]

Baller



I find this thread amussing to be honest. In all honesty I don't know what to believe. Adaptation and Evolution may have a somewhat similar definition, but are different.


Until I find exact correct proof, I'm nuetral.

[drunken_chef]

this is a good read

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm

[Storm_Shadow]

Suffice to say that the conclusions from the observations of anything in nature will be influenced by the observer's frame of reference. In essence, you will find what you're looking for.

Many who devote their lives to understanding the origin and nature of life claim to go about it with unbiased curiosity, but they aren't unbiased.

[mapes]

First off man didn't evolve from monkeys. We share with monkeys some far distance relative....

Second off there is proof about evolution. Saw this on a show. In japan there is a peninsula that rumors have it years and years ago a warlord and his samarui fought to the last man and were pushed into the sea. For a very very long time the locals believed the samurai dead had been turned into crabs. Ever since for the last thousand years when ever a crab was caught if it's shell even remotely resembled a samurai face the fisherman threw it back....guess what... that specie of crab now has a perfect samurai face on its back. The evolutionary survival trait was a shell that resembled a face.

The concept is simple...Those beings that have some trait that lets them live longer have a higher chance of reproducing. those offspring share that trait and take over that niche in the area food chain and push out those beings without the trait or a stronger trait.


The time scale this works on is huge. It's almost impossible for a human to grasp the scale of such time.


ID or lets say the bible....Ok the bible first off all of the creation myth's err stories in the bible were written by Jews. It's a known fact that the Jews wrote those as parables not as fact.

The question is not do you believe in evolution. You don't have to believe in it for it work. Thats beauty of it.

Faith and science are different things. They answer different questions.

dictionary definition for science
systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

dictionary definition for faith
belief that is not based on proof

Edit...appearently the samurai crab story has questioned.....my bad example however there are plenty of irrefutable examples

[Trooper110]

And just keep in mind that it's been theorized that once a species becomes intelligent that it will quit evolving unless some outside influence cases drastic changes....say an atomic war, asteroid striking the earth, the sun going nova, etc. Since the species can now alter the environment or create ways to live in undesirable environments, there is no longer any need for that species to evolve. There are also laws and social mores that prevent us from keeping the less desirable members of our species from breeding and passing on less desirable traits so the more desirable traits aren't passed on to our descendants as in a natural evolution.

Of course there's also unnatural evolutions, such as wiping out small pox. It's good for us, but it wasn't through evolution that we became resistant to the virus, it was through drugs and learning. This could also be used to achieve things such as say...a third arm for great manipulative abilities, lack of hair now that there's no real reason for it due to clothing other than aesthetics, those kinds of things.

[baller4life2468]

Yes

[TheDeadMeat]

42

[minfootball]

42
lol :D

[Kriotek]

out of intrest those of you thaty dont beleive in evolution what is it that stears you away from it being how humans came to be.

(tryed to phrase it in a non contraversial way if you get what i mean by it)

[Kriotek]

sorry double post but addition to what i just said.

i am asking as there is alot of posts about evolution and adaption but not alot in the way of against it.

[MrHazz]

Here is a good one. Why do you think Albert Einstein believed in God.
He was one of the smartest men of our time.

[drunken_chef]

Here is a good one. Why do you think Albert Einstein believed in God.
He was one of the smartest men of our time.

as several people have stated. believing or not believing in god shouldn't matter. now if your "religion" preaches against it, thats a different matter.

ps, Einstein believed in god and evolution :twisted:

[omfg karl marx]

Here is a good one. Why do you think Albert Einstein believed in God.
It simply wasn't socially acceptable to be agnostic or an atheist. Hell, it still isn't. A recent poll showed that people were more likely to vote for a woman, a homosexual, or any minority than to vote for an atheist. Anyway, Einstein would best be considered agnostic or possibly a deist. He might have believed that a god may have create the universe, but that'd be about the extent of it.

[ThisElfRocksHard]

Adaptation and Evolution may have a somewhat similar definition, but are different.


If you wan to get technical, even Darwin didn't believe in spontaneous evolution. He believed in evolution through natural selection. So, according to him, man did not appear out of the blue, but rather, the mutants of a species that had a particular trait that was beneficial to their survival carried on (and subsequently passed that gene onto their offspring) while the non-mutants did not. So, as one group of individuals adapted to their environment, the others would not be naturally selected to survive and die off.

So, adaptation to one's surroundings enables evolution. Does that clear up the definition for you?

[drunken_chef]

Here is a good one. Why do you think Albert Einstein believed in God.
It simply wasn't socially acceptable to be agnostic or an atheist. Hell, it still isn't. A recent poll showed that people were more likely to vote for a woman, a homosexual, or any minority than to vote for an atheist. Anyway, Einstein would best be considered agnostic or possibly a deist. He might have believed that a god may have create the universe, but that'd be about the extent of it.

i'm getting old and in general would rather not expound on my thoughts. omfg karl marx, i think i love you, keep up the good fight man!

[drunken_chef]

Adaptation and Evolution may have a somewhat similar definition, but are different.


If you wan to get technical, even Darwin didn't believe in spontaneous evolution. He believed in evolution through natural selection. So, according to him, man did not appear out of the blue, but rather, the mutants of a species that had a particular trait that was beneficial to their survival carried on (and subsequently passed that gene onto their offspring) while the non-mutants did not. So, as one group of individuals adapted to their environment, the others would not be naturally selected to survive and die off.

So, adaptation to one's surroundings enables evolution. Does that clear up the definition for you?

i like it :D

[L_Mo]

I find this thread amussing to be honest. In all honesty I don't know what to believe. Adaptation and Evolution may have a somewhat similar definition, but are different.

Until I find exact correct proof, I'm nuetral.

Assassin, I'm sorry I didn't find this thread sooner.. would have been fun. First, you will never find exact proof of anything. I wish science teachers would emphasize that more - I didn't even get that beaten into my skull until college physics. Anyway, all we have to go on are theories.. Time tests these theories and we slowly begin to trust one theory over another - but it's very possible that another theory will come alone that will be more correct than the first one (take quantum over Newtonian physics..). Today evolutionary theory is strongly supported by scientists, and they have a good reason for this.

Anyway, I won't get into all the details of evolution... if you're really curious I'd be willing to explain your arguments in a PM, but people have done a pretty fair job of it here. The thing is, there is plenty of hard evidence that support evolutionary theory (e.g. the entire continent of Australia). If you choose not to seek an understanding, then that's fine too. You don't have to believe it either, I just mean you have to properly understand what facts are out there before you can decide for yourself. Based on your first posts, you don't have all these facts.

I'm not trying to be mean at all, the questions you asked (why are monkeys still around if we came from monkeys, how did a poodle evolve from a wolf) are very common (but good) questions and it shows you've actually thought about it. However, evolutionary theory provides very clear answers to these questions... So if you want to investigate the validity of evolutionary theory, don't look for "proof," look for a proper understanding.

[thedeadlyassassin]

No offense to anyone but I hate reading really really posts and pretty much just ignore them. Nothing against anyone I just prefer to scan through or make quick checks.



The main reason behind the thread, is to get to know people better, and I've learned some things I really didn't want to about some of you guys. I'm not going to make any comments or names passed that sentence.


I just thought it'd be cool to see what people think.

[Trooper110]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.

[Dead_And_Gone]

I'm proud that this thread has remained civil and intellectual. :2thumbs:

There is a theory that the radiation from the Sun helps or causes evolution. Those animals that are land based, or even closer to the equator receive more radiation, and jump starts evolution. Creatures that live in the deep oceans 1 mile or more down receive little radiation. That is why we see Science stories about fish/plants/invertebrae that were recently caught or washed up, that haven't changed at all from fossils found that are thousands or millions of years old. I love those deep diving subs that explore down there. :D

There would be More evolution in Man, but civilized areas of the world keep people alive that would ordinarily would have died from bad evolution tracks. I.E. Inherited abnormalities, susceptible to diseases, inherited traits that are anti-survival based, etc... In a dog-eat-dog environment, those that went down a bad evolutionary tree died out. As a modern society, we don't normally allow those "Bad Tree's" to die, so they continue and propagate. Survival of the fit no longer applies.

So we have inherited liabilites that continue to be integrated into society.

I.E. an Albino rabbit species tree would not survive long in a warm weather predator rich environment.

[thedeadlyassassin]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.



I've had my only question answered thank you, there really is no need for your post. I can ask a question, and choose what to read or what not to. Missing on information, well, that's my own fault and realize it, and don't need it pointed out. Thanks for trying though

[MrHazz]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l31/MrHazz/EvolutionOfMan.jpg

[Kriotek]

im surprised as well that it didnt get a bit more heated as it is challenging peoples beleives about one thing or the other it was kept civil rather well with some really great info :2thumbs: .

[BigTwinky]

This thread went from really interesting to totally stupid.

[drunken_chef]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.



I've had my only question answered thank you, there really is no need for your post. I can ask a question, and choose what to read or what not to. Missing on information, well, that's my own fault and realize it, and don't need it pointed out. Thanks for trying though

if you're not going to read or selectively read the posts in this thread then i don't think there was a need for any of the posts. :trolls:

[BigTwinky]

if you're not going to read or selectively read the posts in this thread then i don't think there was a need for any of the posts. :trolls:

+1,000,000

[Minerva]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.



I've had my only question answered thank you, there really is no need for your post. I can ask a question, and choose what to read or what not to. Missing on information, well, that's my own fault and realize it, and don't need it pointed out. Thanks for trying though

The greater variety of opinions, the richer the subject!!
In my humble opinion, at least in your own thread, it would be nice that you read what other's have to say. :shock: but then again... I am so not evolved, I might be totally wrong. :P

[paceman]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.



I've had my only question answered thank you, there really is no need for your post. I can ask a question, and choose what to read or what not to. Missing on information, well, that's my own fault and realize it, and don't need it pointed out. Thanks for trying though

if you're not going to read or selectively read the posts in this thread then i don't think there was a need for any of the posts. :trolls:
+1 - not reading the responses is no different than asking someone a question and then sticking your fingers in your ears and saying - LALALALALA - I can't hear you!

[Rand{CLR}]

If you don't want serious discussion and don't want to listen to people's opinions and have facts pointed out to you, then don't ask questions along this line. This is a high profile type of question with people in all kinds of walks of life discussing and arguing about it. I've been happy to see real discussion and talks here rather than the flame war I was afraid might occur.

As far as skipping over the long posts, well, all I have to say is that in a lot of cases you're missing out on some really good information.



I've had my only question answered thank you, there really is no need for your post. I can ask a question, and choose what to read or what not to. Missing on information, well, that's my own fault and realize it, and don't need it pointed out. Thanks for trying though

if you're not going to read or selectively read the posts in this thread then i don't think there was a need for any of the posts. :trolls:
+1 - not reading the responses is no different than asking someone a question and then sticking your fingers in your ears and saying - LALALALALA - I can't hear you!

+1

This thread went from really interesting to totally stupid.

And +1 to this as well. :P

-Rand

[thedeadlyassassin]

It's also funny how I make one post and a million people have to say +1 to it. :trolls:


Let's lock this please?