England is becoming really upsetting.

[juneau]

First we have an 11 year old boy executed at point blank range earlier in the week and it doesn't take long for the next upset coming out of the current youth yob culture going on in this country.


Man dies after street gang attack
Brent Martin
Mr Martin suffered a sustained and brutal attack
A 23-year-old man with learning difficulties has died in hospital after being "savagely attacked" by a gang of up to five youths.

Brent Martin was found with multiple injuries on Sunderland's Town End Farm estate on Thursday night after reports of a man being beaten up.

He was taken to the city's Royal Hospital, where he died on Saturday.

A 21-year-old man and three youths, one aged 16 and two aged 17, are being questioned on suspicion of murder.

Mr Martin, described as vulnerable by police, had been the victim of a "sustained and brutal" beating.

Police have appealed to parents in the area to question their children about their whereabouts at the time of the attack.

Speaking on Friday, Det Supt Kay Blyth, who is leading the investigation, said: "I would appeal to parents in the area to think about what their children were doing last night.

"Did they come in late and were acting out of the ordinary? Did they fail to come home at all?"

She said the area where the attack happened had experienced low-level anti-social behaviour, but crime levels were relatively low.

Anyone with information about the incident should contact Northumbria Police.

Earlier in the year...

Seven teenagers were questioned by police yesterday after a 16-year-old boy was chased by a mob and stabbed to death in a London street lined with ?1 million homes.


Witnesses say that teenage girls egged on the attack with shouts of ?Kill him, kill him? before the victim, named last night as Kodjo Yenga, was surrounded. At one point Kodjo raised his arms to fend off blows from sticks. The suspects being held include four 13-year-olds, two 15-years-olds and a man aged 21.

The list just goes on and on.

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[Slaughter]

Welcome to America.

[juneau]

How are your laws in America against things like this? The kids that do these killings over here basically get a slap on the wrist.... in other words 3 years in a cushy YOI and out in 2. :pissed:

[GeneralSnake]

No, kids get pretty bad sentences usually. Atleast around here, I live near a town with the most murders per capita in the country. We do not take violence lightly here. About a year ago, two kids ambushed some off duty military men walking in a park here in Monterey, beat em up with some bats. I know one of the assholes that did the batting. He served some pretty good time for that. Although I wish he was hung. But, for murder, a kid will go to jail for damn near 25 to life in Cali. Especially if it is 3rd strike. Sometimes it is TOO harsh.

[Brinn]

A 13 year old, my parents didn't even let me play Golden Eye until I turned 13...

That stuff just blows my mind.

[MrHazz]

We don't play here in Florida. We kick there butts! :wink:

[mapes]

No, kids get pretty bad sentences usually. Atleast around here, I live near a town with the most murders per capita in the country. We do not take violence lightly here. About a year ago, two kids ambushed some off duty military men walking in a park here in Monterey, beat em up with some bats. I know one of the assholes that did the batting. He served some pretty good time for that. Although I wish he was hung. But, for murder, a kid will go to jail for damn near 25 to life in Cali. Especially if it is 3rd strike. Sometimes it is TOO harsh.

Your in Monterrey? Damn were neighbors. Ambushing military people doesn't sound like a good idea.

[GeneralSnake]

It wasnt. Those two idiots are still serving good time for that insanity. And if I see the guy out and acting like a doofus again, I will show him a thing or two about baseball bats.

[toxic_tomato]

well here in good ol' beaver land we dont believe in the death penalty and it's worse in quebec..cause if that would have happend here then the worst those guy would have got is 6 monthes in jail and two years of probation..yup :|

[jaspurr]

This is all so sad, but what do we expect in a society when you are afraid to punish you child for being accused of child abuse. They can grow up with no boundaries. I was brought up with boundaries and I know right from wrong as does my daughter who is currently serving a grounding for her attitude. She is a teenager and has to test the waters and I give allowance for this, it's part of growing up, but other than that I operate on as near a zero tolerance level as possible. Hopefully by doing this she will learn the boundaries my brothers and sister learnt.

I believe if more families did this the poor family of this 11 year old would not be living every day of the rest of their lives grieving for a little boy who had just been to soccer practice and never had a care in the world. It was so sad, he was just about to start high school, his new uniform proudly hanging in his wardrobe never to be worn.

As for punishment, depending on their age they will get maybe 13 years and out in 7. If they are under 18 they will go to a youth centre, get a better education than those who abide by the law, get support when they come out, housing, job even a new name. Justice is strange!

[juneau]

More salt in the wounds.

A Jehovah's Witness has been spared a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in Clevedon.

Michael Porter, of Okehampton Close, north London, admitted 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.

A management consultant branded his wife with a hot steam iron because she had failed to press his shirt.

Cambridge graduate Colin Read, 25, also slashed her with a knife because she had forgotten to make his sandwiches.

But the ?90,000-a-year executive walked free from court - with just a ?2,000 fine.

A senior doctor who savagely beat up his wife after they argued about buying a new car has escaped a prison sentence.

Anaesthetics consultant Stuart Brown, 37, threw his wife to the floor and punched her at least 24 times as she lay at his feet.

He claimed a "red mist" descended after she went to sleep in the spare bedroom.

The vicious assault on Carol Mcewan followed regular verbal and physical abuse during their seven-year marriage.

But Brown, 37, who is thought to earn ?100,000 a year, walked free from court after being ordered to pay her just ?500 in compensation.

All these are from the past few days. :|

[CarbonFire]

And here I thought the British legal system worked.....that's insane :shock: :|

Juneau , gang violence happens with disturbing regularity here in California. With more than 35 million people living here, and most living in urban areas, this sort of thing is bound to happen more often. Not to mention we have 4 different ethnocentric gang groups that tend to not like each other (Asian, White, Black, Hispanic), which only throws more fuel on the fire.

@Brinn: You're missing it.....you HAVE parents that put limits on you. Just about all of these kids have disinterested, overworked or abusive parents that leads them to seek belonging somewhere else. And the violent gangs are more than happy to oblige :P

[juneau]

And here I thought the British legal system worked.....that's insane :shock: :|

Juneau , gang violence happens with disturbing regularity here in California. With more than 35 million people living here, and most living in urban areas, this sort of thing is bound to happen more often. Not to mention we have 4 different ethnocentric gang groups that tend to not like each other (Asian, White, Black, Hispanic), which only throws more fuel on the fire.

@Brinn: You're missing it.....you HAVE parents that put limits on you. Just about all of these kids have disinterested, overworked or abusive parents that leads them to seek belonging somewhere else. And the violent gangs are more than happy to oblige :P

The sad thing is, is that it isn't really gang mentality or gang violence. It is restricted to a group of people that follow a trend, just like Emo, Goth etc. Only this time there isn't just music and dress code but a really bad attitude to everything. These groups of kids are not specifically white only, black only etc. Just groups of idiots spanning all races that make the lives of honest hard working folk a living hell, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

[Kriotek]

thas the way it goes over here juneau most people turn a blind eye to it all but it is seriosly needing reworked

[Kriotek]

sorry carbon.

was looking at the wrong name there opps.

[GeneralSnake]

The sad thing is, is that it isn't really gang mentality or gang violence. It is restricted to a group of people that follow a trend, just like Emo, Goth etc. Only this time there isn't just music and dress code but a really bad attitude to everything. These groups of kids are not specifically white only, black only etc. Just groups of idiots spanning all races that make the lives of honest hard working folk a living hell, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
You are talking about the english gangs right?

[juneau]

The sad thing is, is that it isn't really gang mentality or gang violence. It is restricted to a group of people that follow a trend, just like Emo, Goth etc. Only this time there isn't just music and dress code but a really bad attitude to everything. These groups of kids are not specifically white only, black only etc. Just groups of idiots spanning all races that make the lives of honest hard working folk a living hell, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
You are talking about the english gangs right?

Nope just gangs in general.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6227/fernhillchurchqn3.jpg

Oh the things i would love to do to these lot. :pissed:

[killa_zn]

what i see in that picture isnt a gang, but just a bunch of kids with bad influence..

[juneau]

what i see in that picture isnt a gang, but just a bunch of kids with bad influence..

And that's exactly what it is Killa.

[baconoclock]

wow, that pic is nuts. If what theyre drinking is alcohol (assuming here but thats probably a safe bet :D ) they dont even look old enough to shave!

[Rand{CLR}]

If that is representative of UK youth gangs, you REALLY don't want to see gangs in the U.S., let alone parts of central and south America.

If a branch of M.S. 13 were to have a group shot, there would be all sorts of things shown there that would show the differences. Such as the machetes they use to hack off the hands of former members and in attacks on other gangs. That particular gang has a large presence in the D.C. region.

-Rand

[juneau]

If that is representative of UK youth gangs, you REALLY don't want to see gangs in the U.S., let alone parts of central and south America.

If a branch of M.S. 13 were to have a group shot, there would be all sorts of things shown there that would show the differences. Such as the machetes they use to hack off the hands of former members and in attacks on other gangs. That particular gang has a large presence in the D.C. region.

-Rand

But imagine if 60% of US youths aged between 13-21 made up those gangs. That's how bad it is here. I wouldn't be suprised if at least half of the above are carrying some sort of blade either.

They don't fight other gangs because other gangs are just like them. They find some poor unsuspecting soul and proceed to use their head as a football..... for fun.

Good kids are becoming a very small minority. Seeing a normal kid in England these days is few and far between.

[GeneralSnake]

That is a very bad number Jun, but atleast they dont have real dangerous weapons. The average weapon here is a 9mm, often made of cheap materials like plastic, so you use it one or two times and throw it away, called a throwaway weapon, say, a throwaway tech9, or throwaway 9mm, etc. And the real baddies pack AKs and grenades. Also, drive bys are pretty bad. We have several in Salinas each year, dont know how many this year but last year, in a "nice" neighborhood, a kid was shot down by a driveby, and many of the rounds went into the houses he was walking by.

[juneau]

That is a very bad number Jun, but atleast they dont have real dangerous weapons. The average weapon here is a 9mm, often made of cheap materials like plastic, so you use it one or two times and throw it away, called a throwaway weapon, say, a throwaway tech9, or throwaway 9mm, etc. And the real baddies pack AKs and grenades. Also, drive bys are pretty bad. We have several in Salinas each year, dont know how many this year but last year, in a "nice" neighborhood, a kid was shot down by a driveby, and many of the rounds went into the houses he was walking by.

First we have an 11 year old boy executed at point blank range earlier in the week

It's getting that way.

[jaspurr]

This was brought home yesterday/ I made a rare visit to our local Tesco and the poor 11 yesr old shot is the night managers son. Really sad

[Dead_And_Gone]

We have the death penalty here in Texas, and we use it.
Under 18 suspected murderers or gangers are often treated as adults in the system.

Admittedly, often 2nd and 3rd chances are given to chronic repeat offenders. We are attempting to toughen the punishments for these people. First mistakes, usually just a slap on the wrist. Assault though is handled with extreme vigor in our court systems here in Texas. Wife beating especially is on the HOT list.

But for those under 18...
You do NOT want to get shipped to an alternative school for problem children. They get put there on a FIRST offence. Any scholarship offers are generally always pulled, and chances of getting one after your term is between slim and None. That is called drastic and life changing repurcusions. Granted, the gang bangers aren't going to BE looking for a college trip for the most part. It just looks bad on a resume that you graduated from XXYY Alternative school. A large majority of businesses are reluctant to hire people that have a known lengthy police record or alternative school time. And yes, with a good lawyer, those records CAN be expunged from the records or sealed if they aren't felony type offenses and under 18. Can get awefully expensive.

I feel for you if the UK's courts have gone all wimpy. :cry:
We often discuss the often left wing District 5 courts that have California in it. Some very very strange rulings coming out of there.

[juneau]

It's just happened again a few days ago.

Police have resumed their search for the killers of a 17-year-old boy stabbed to death in the street in east London

Officers are hunting a group of youths seen fleeing the scene in Chesterford Road, Newham, just before midnight on Thursday.

Neighbours said they heard shouting and swearing in the street shortly before the teenager was found injured.

Scotland Yard said the murder is not linked to gang violence and officers are investigating whether the victim knew his attackers.

Paramedics called to the residential area found the teenager with a stab wound. He was pronounced dead soon afterwards.

Two 16-year-old boys arrested in connection with the murder were being held at an east London police station on Friday night.

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[baconoclock]

Another one.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=479065&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

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