SAVE XP !!!!!!

[Cain]

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/archives/2008/01/save_windows_xp.html

[juneau]

Signed. I hope Vista falls flat on it's face like Me. There's just nothing good about it.

[WalkinTarget]

<IrrationalFanLookingforAttention> LEAVE VISTA ALONE !!!! </IrrationalFanLookingforAttention>
:wink:

[LIMEY]

I signed it

[ryanbatc]

signed

[ryanbatc]

<IrrationalFanLookingforAttention> LEAVE VISTA ALONE !!!! </IrrationalFanLookingforAttention>
:wink:

lol, where is the chris cocker video?

[paceman]

Signed. I hope Vista falls flat on it's face like Me. There's just nothing good about it.
+1 - except Vista has already fallen on it's face. That's why M$ allowed people to "Upgrade their experience" back to XP. :?

[Cain]

Keep hope alive !!!

[Gremlin_flg]

Signed but I love Vista x64 FTW :D

[WalkinTarget]

I think we may be looking at a paradigm shift in the way people interact with their PC after Vista ... MS is getting hammered at any mention of superiority of Vista over XP, and the hardcore users are staying away in droves, with only people buying a new PC accounting for that 'sale' of Vista.

The web has turned out to be the face of the OS, with most if not all of your apps able to run directly from the web, so we no longer have a singular, offline experience when we are in front of the PC.

Todays youth would consider a PC with no internet access to be a doorstop or a boat anchor, and they use the PC for communication first and foremost. What Vista has added is indeed better security, but most users consider themselves smart enough to not open an email attachment from someone they don't know.

Problem is, an email attachment is not the way you'll receive the next bug on your PC ! Malware/spyware has evolved, and is well ahead of the pace of anti-malware, so net attacks can occur in an hour (zero-day exploits)
and almost always occur from third party plugins (Flash, Java, Acrobat Reader, Quicktime) or even MS own software (Word, Excel).

It will be interesting to see what MS comes up with next, as internet access will continue to evolve, and tomorow's teens will change the way they interact with the tools at hand.

I think our next roadblock is broadband access in general, as the US is faaaar behind what the rest of the world has offered for years now. Five years ago I saw cell phones in Japan that plugged into your laptop via a PCMCIA slot and gave you internet access via your existing phone. Anybody see something like that in the US yet ??

[The_Needle]

Sure, had them for several years now. Unfortunately you are right about broadband here though. WAYYYYYY behind.

[CarbonFire]

I think our next roadblock is broadband access in general, as the US is faaaar behind what the rest of the world has offered for years now. Five years ago I saw cell phones in Japan that plugged into your laptop via a PCMCIA slot and gave you internet access via your existing phone. Anybody see something like that in the US yet ??
Yea, the cell-to-pc internet access is available here. As for broadband access, the U.S. is not only far behind, but we're going in the

WRONG DIRECTION (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080116-leaked-memo-time-warner-cable-to-trial-hard-bandwidth-caps.html)

:|

...Oh, and SAVE XP ++! :2thumbs:

[juneau]

I think our next roadblock is broadband access in general, as the US is faaaar behind what the rest of the world has offered for years now. Five years ago I saw cell phones in Japan that plugged into your laptop via a PCMCIA slot and gave you internet access via your existing phone. Anybody see something like that in the US yet ??
Yea, the cell-to-pc internet access is available here. As for broadband access, the U.S. is not only far behind, but we're going in the

WRONG DIRECTION (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080116-leaked-memo-time-warner-cable-to-trial-hard-bandwidth-caps.html)

:|

...Oh, and SAVE XP ++! :2thumbs:

And this proves that DD on a HD scale just won't happen. So glad i don't have a hard cap.. or any cap... yet.

[BenKenobi]

I won't sign - It's not that bad. They just need to fix the whole "running slower than xp" deal. I'd even go as far to say as I LIKE using Vista more than XP.

Yes shun me shunnnnnnn!

[Dead...Again]

I won't sign - It's not that bad. They just need to fix the whole "running slower than xp" deal. I'd even go as far to say as I LIKE using Vista more than XP.

Yes shun me shunnnnnnn!
LOL I'm with Kenobi on this one. I like Vista. :P

[BenKenobi]

I won't sign - It's not that bad. They just need to fix the whole "running slower than xp" deal. I'd even go as far to say as I LIKE using Vista more than XP.

Yes shun me shunnnnnnn!
LOL I'm with Kenobi on this one. I like Vista. :P

I'm just warning you now, you will get internet dirty-looks if you feel this way

[Zantheus]

Vista FTW

[(DSP)-Bar]

Signed it... They just started getting XP some what reasonable and people are used to it. Vista has got some things I like but 98% of it is nothing more then a PITA.

[(DSP)-Bar]

I think our next roadblock is broadband access in general, as the US is faaaar behind what the rest of the world has offered for years now. Five years ago I saw cell phones in Japan that plugged into your laptop via a PCMCIA slot and gave you internet access via your existing phone. Anybody see something like that in the US yet ??
Yea, the cell-to-pc internet access is available here. As for broadband access, the U.S. is not only far behind, but we're going in the

WRONG DIRECTION (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080116-leaked-memo-time-warner-cable-to-trial-hard-bandwidth-caps.html)

:|

...Oh, and SAVE XP ++! :2thumbs:


Ugh... thanks for posting that. I am a time warner user. They have a monopoly on the internet market here being that they are the only provider. I personally hate them.

[RuThLeSsKiLLa]

signed. even tho i admired MS, this is an outrage. XP ftw!!.

[SgtRock]

Vista is not all that bad

~S~

[Cain]

Microsoft weighs in on "Save XP" petition, sort of

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/microsoft-weighs-in-on-save-xp-petition-sort-of/

[-IRC-MIKE]

Do you think it is a coincidence?
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/xpvistasigntwo.jpg
The cartoon dude in this picture isn't POINTING at the sign. He's flipping off.

[Zantheus]

LOL thatsa good pic...I just dont understand why everyone is so afraid of Vista...once you set it up properly it is WAY better then XP

[Trooper110]

Don't like Vista because in anything other than office applications XP beats the hell out of it for comparable statistics. Whether it be frame rates in games, times in completing various things in Photoshop or other editing software, everything. Currently it sits at 10-20% advantage in XP. After Vista SP1 and XP SP3 are both out, all testing so far says it will be a 20-30% advantage over Vista. While the framerates and times may be good, I'm not wasting money to upgrade to an OS that will kill 30% just for some prettier graphics and and updated security measures when I haven't gotten a virus in over 2 years just by watching what I do online. And I may have a DX10 graphics card, but I'm not worried about that until the day a Must Buy Game with super incredible uses of DX10 comes out. So far, you can do anything with DX9 that they've done with DX10 if you do it right.

[DougBob]

I'm sorry all, I cannot sign it. I too, like some others like Vista. I understand the need to remove obsolete software and continue on.
I'm not saying XP has lost it's place in society. I'm just saying this is just like 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME(which wasn't a real OS, how dare that freak compare Vista to ME).
Everyone sooner or later is going to go to the next generation OS, wheather by upgrade or new computer purchase.
Some will wait so long, just like the die hard, reluctant to change Win95 users did, so when they finally took the plunge they skipped OS's and upgrade to a good OS like XP.
Yes I said good OS. I'm not saying XP is not a good operating system. I base my decision on some items I have seen and experienced with Vista.
I run my desktop gaming machine on XP and my laptop on Vista, so I get to do some camparisons on their operation.
Of course Vista will be a little slower since it's a natural progression to build a new OS that requires more resources and faster/better hardware since that is the evolution of technology.
Do you think for one minute the artificial intellegence that's coming at us in the future is going to run on less or the same amount of memory and HD space, come on!!!
Don't get me wrong, I have had the nightmare bad experience with Vista sense I bought one of the first HP9000T's with the free Vista Premium upgrade certificate. I had the problem and got past it and have been running with no problems for quite a while now.
If your a real geek, use process monitor and checkout the threads and amount of executions on a XP box compared to a Vista machine. Vista is much better on managing it's resources and has cut down on the amount process executions. They had some more work they should have done before releasing and the third party knuckle heads screwed the pooch, but hey, I understand that and trying to stick to a slipped schedule misses a lot of stuff that usually doesn't show itself until a customer brings it painfully to your attention.
So, no, I can't sign it. I'll run Xp on my desktop until I'm ready to change and spend that big chunck of change.
Speaking of which, that's what everyone should be complaining about is the price, but then again, I can understand that after everyone jumped on the lets take the big M to court ban wagon. That cost them a BIG chunk of change.

Cheers
DougBob

[Apache Warrior]

I remember when Windows 95 was released. So many people refused to use it because it was buggy. I started using it as soon as it was released because, as buggy as it was it was much better than Windows 3.1. Now I use both and I have no problems with Vista.
Apache

[-IRC-MIKE]

+1 Windows 3.1 in a work environment was utter disaster. When 95' came out even the most novice of users could put their hands on a mouse and navigate the GUI with things like Help, Tips, Balloons ..etc. WIndows 3.1 was an upgrade from my old Commodore 64 and 128, however. I had been hacking** and gaming on those for a long time when 3.1 came out and ... ?... Gaming? There was none except Solitare.

**if you know the true meaning of hacking.

I like vista too, but I also am a big fan of XP.. HUGE FAN. I'd like to see it saved. Truth is, I think we are all going to see just how bullet proof Vista really is pretty soon. So far it is but I don't see that lasting forever, but I do foresee it holding a stronger reputation for anti-exploitation than any previous MS candidate.

When the OS's (Vista) own admin user has limited functions and access to the operating system without having a rigorous process to go through with the idiot lights and confirms, imagine what it is like for a hacker. I have yet to see a compromised Vista system other than someone downloading and installing it themselves due to ignorance.

[mapes]

+1 Windows 3.1 in a work environment was utter disaster. When 95' came out even the most novice of users could put their hands on a mouse and navigate the GUI with things like Help, Tips, Balloons ..etc. WIndows 3.1 was an upgrade from my old Commodore 64 and 128, however. I had been hacking** and gaming on those for a long time when 3.1 came out and ... ?... Gaming? There was none except Solitare.


What are you talking about....I was running QEMM 386 and an Adlib midi sound card to play Wing Commander

[Apache Warrior]

I gamed on Dos and Windows too. Do you not remember having to have boot discs for each game. :D
Apache

[mapes]

I gamed on Dos and Windows too. Do you not remember having to have boot discs for each game. :D
Apache


Yep and that was cool....multi configs for autoexec.bat and config.sys

[-IRC-MIKE]

I couldn't agree more with the people who are XP fans, but I have to defend Vista and give it credit where it is due. Vista, even though it requires at least 2 gigs to run smoothly, it will utilize those two gigabytes much more efficiently than XP ever could. It is simply the smartest Windows operating system I've ever seen. It is like it knows when you open a game or other software that is resource intensive so it juggles process priority extremely well. XP you have to manually do this or set the pc up so that it is pre-determined what processes are priority. Vista is pretty smart. I know you all hate to hear that, and I hated XP when it first came out and didn't want to learn it, but I did, it is here, and I don't regret it. Same rules apply.

If it were up to me, however, and I were microsoft, I would have taken xp to a new level instead of dropping it and starting another trend. I believe that XP had not reached its full potential and it is scary that Vista is already talked about as being a thing of the past. I don't look for vista to last as long as XP did, but I can guarantee you that it is a BETTER operating system for regular users who do nothing more than play games, check mail, chat, browse...etc.

[drunken_chef]

Yep and that was cool....multi configs for autoexec.bat and config.sys

those were the days :2thumbs:

[mapes]

I tell you I was very happy with 2k when it came out....I mean jeez you can finally change the damn IP address without having to reboot.....Like Unix has only been doing that for like 30 years.....

[-IRC-MIKE]

I tell you I was very happy with 2k when it came out....I mean jeez you can finally change the damn IP address without having to reboot.....Like Unix has only been doing that for like 30 years.....

+1

LOL!

OH, on windows 3.1 you played wing commander? Jeez.. Well our pc's weren't allowed to install such content at the phone company and I quite frankly didn't know to actually go and seek software games.

[mapes]

+1

LOL!

OH, on windows 3.1 you played wing commander? Jeez.. Well our pc's weren't allowed to install such content at the phone company and I quite frankly didn't know to actually go and seek software games.

Windows 3.1...Hell no DOS. No state of the art video game would work in windows 3.0,3.1 or WFWG's. Man Windows was basically a Windowing system for DOS. Yeah it used bog down my 286 8 mhz overclocked to 16mhz (old school style meaning you have to replace the quartz clock on the MB) with 16 MB of RAM and a 25 MB hard drive. Like I said I had an Adlib sound card(only had a midi synth on it) and VGA graphics (w00t 256 colors). Man and network cards...raise your hand if you remember assigning rom space for network cards?


I mean check out this high tech sound card

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Adlib.jpg/200px-Adlib.jpg

[Hammy]

Sign whatever you want whenever you want, but for someone like myself in technology sales, I understand that the economy of technology depends on frequent changes in order to stay profitable.

A single OS spawns multiple additional sales.

Vista spawned the need for additional Office bundles to be bought, it spawned additional hardware purchases, and in the future once perfected, will spawn additional hardware and software purchases through a second, third, and perhaps 4th round.

The entire time, Microsoft charges developer access licensing, manufacturer access licensing, and takes a share of the profits on great deal of products sold today.

They will not allow Windows XP to circumvent this revenue model.

[Apache Warrior]

Windows 3.1 was nothing but a shell over DOS. All games played in DOS and needed a boot disc because DOS could not allocate enough memory.
Anyone remember how bad Windows 3.0 was?
I remember getting my first single speed CD Rom for my 386.
Apache

[DougBob]

WFWG's
WFWG which was ...... 3.11 of course. Woo Hoo!
...raise your hand if you remember assigning rom space for network cards?[/QUOTE]

:clap::wave2::clap::wave2::clap::
I remember juggling the IRQ settings also. Do you guys also remember the trouble with freeing up as much base memory as possible to get that memory intensive game to run that just have to have more than 610k free. And remember the DMA conflicts with setting up the old sound cards... Man those were the days.
But here's the real question, does anyone remember playing the old text based game the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy and on a trash 80 (TRS-80) no less. Wooo yeah baby. Now we're talking. That's what I took my assembler class on.:2thumbs: Whew, man, the good old days.

[DougBob]

Hey I just remembered another one, does anyone remember OS2 Warp. Man I had that thing tri-booting Win95 or 98, Linux and OS2.

[-IRC-MIKE]

WFWG which was ...... 3.11 of course. Woo Hoo!
...raise your hand if you remember assigning rom space for network cards?


:clap::wave2::clap::wave2::clap::
I remember juggling the IRQ settings also. Do you guys also remember the trouble with freeing up as much base memory as possible to get that memory intensive game to run that just have to have more than 610k free. And remember the DMA conflicts with setting up the old sound cards... Man those were the days.
But here's the real question, does anyone remember playing the old text based game the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy and on a trash 80 (TRS-80) no less. Wooo yeah baby. Now we're talking. That's what I took my assembler class on.:2thumbs: Whew, man, the good old days.


Dip switches anyone? WEEEEEE I played a lot of text based games. I really enjoyed a game called Pyramid for the tandy 100. It was a cassette tape. Not too long ago I dumped the tandy 100 and I still had the (external of course) 5 1/4 floppy drive for the commodore. It weighed somewhere around 50 lbs I think.

[drunken_chef]

Dip switches anyone? WEEEEEE I played a lot of text based games. I really enjoyed a game called Pyramid for the tandy 100. It was a cassette tape. Not too long ago I dumped the tandy 100 and I still had the (external of course) 5 1/4 floppy drive for the commodore. It weighed somewhere around 50 lbs I think.

dip switches? most of mine had jumpers for DMA and IRQs. I still have old DOS and win 3.1 and 3.11 floppies around here some where. I think I still have an old creative card with built in SCSI on the sound card up in the attic.

[Zantheus]

Man the 1st system I had running 3.1 was a freakin Tandy of all things LOL then I got a job @ a computer store so I upgraded to a 486 dx 66 I think it was

[Devilguns]

Vista will be viral, only people who get new PCs will have it. With PCs lasting the average user a lot longer these days even that will be tough to wait out.

[-IRC-MIKE]

I dunno about a LOT longer. I have seen more OLDER computers that still work than newer. Of all the JUNK pc's I have, most of the ones after 1995 need some serious work if even possible to fix. Every single pc PRE-1995 will still boot up to an OS.

[BlackArrow]

I use both. Vista is running great on my everyday PC. I even updated it to SP1 this week with zero problems. If you have a new computer, it works well. If you have an older computer, it has obvious problems.

Then there is gaming. I run XP on my gaming computer. LIke most of you, why would I spend hundreds and even thousands for bleeding edge components, just to have the OS slow me down. So no Vista for gaming.


For years I have listened to Opie and Anthony's radio show here in NY. They are also on XM Radio. When Vista came out, Anthony ran out and bought it on the first day. He has an awesome top of the line computer and couldn't wait to put Vista on it. But alas it was not meant to be.....................So he made this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno

[-IRC-MIKE]

No problems gaming here. My xp machine has a 2.0 GHZ processor with 2 gigs of ram with a 256 mb AGP card, and my Vista machine has a 3.0 GHZ processor with 2 gigs of ram and a 512 mb PCIE video card. Gaming is better on my vista machine.

[darth_nevus]

Yep and that was cool....multi configs for autoexec.bat and config.sys

Multiple configs? multiple boot disks? thats what batch & config file editing were for. i had options programmed into it to play a variety of games, from wing commander, to lemmings, to myst, to Doom, warcraft 1 & 2, to wing commander privateer. the last of which btw was a huge pain since it required 600 of the 640k of the base memory. which usually ment a joystick could be used, but not the sound blaster, or vice versa. brings back memories. LOADHIGH, MSCDEX, Emm386 XMS 4096, repeadelty tearing through the memory map to figure out exactly what could be loaded high, & what couldn't to save every single spare byte(not Kilobyte) of system ram to get something running.

Or GWbasic/Qbasic and the 2+weeks it took me to program in a 6000 line program from a computer magazine to have it generate a mandelbrot fractel.

Oh, and then ther ewas always Quake/Hexen and the sheer volume of work to set up a manually dialed modem connection to start the game in a co-op mode. duke nukem forever, commander keen, leisure suit larry, just about anything else i could get my hands on from apogee, pitfall for the 8088, sim city, in black & white. i swear there were more game available for the pc back before all the windows crap, than there are now. Bulletin boards, those were the days.

I use XP on 4 pcs, win98SE on one, win95 on one, vista on 2, ubunutu on one, and windows 2k on 3. i have long past lost the need for 3.11. i won't sign, because i love them all.

[Trooper110]

No problems gaming here. My xp machine has a 2.0 GHZ processor with 2 gigs of ram with a 256 mb AGP card, and my Vista machine has a 3.0 GHZ processor with 2 gigs of ram and a 512 mb PCIE video card. Gaming is better on my vista machine.

All being equal though, if you ran Vista and XP on the same machine you would take a hit in performance for gaming and graphics intensive applications running in Vista over XP from 10-30%.

Which is why for the moment I'm declining on spending money to make an OS upgrade that I don't need and won't really benefit me since I primarily game and watch media on my PC, while rarely doing office chores.

[-IRC-MIKE]

dip switches? most of mine had jumpers for DMA and IRQs. I still have old DOS and win 3.1 and 3.11 floppies around here some where. I think I still have an old creative card with built in SCSI on the sound card up in the attic.

I'm still running hardware that have jumpers for DMA and IRQs.

[-IRC-MIKE]

All being equal though, if you ran Vista and XP on the same machine you would take a hit in performance for gaming and graphics intensive applications running in Vista over XP from 10-30%.

Which is why for the moment I'm declining on spending money to make an OS upgrade that I don't need and won't really benefit me since I primarily game and watch media on my PC, while rarely doing office chores.


If I didn't already have it, and if I were you, I wouldn't go out and purchase it either. NOBODY should just go out and buy it for the sake of buying it to upgrade. If you are going to EVENTUALLY have vista, you should only get it with your next PC. I do NOT suggest upgrading a current pc to vista. No Way. The NIGHTMARES I had... :( (on several customer's machines)

[[TT]BrundleFly]

What are you talking about....I was running QEMM 386 and an Adlib midi sound card to play Wing Commander

WOW now those were the days. I had a 286 that I played Wing Commander on. I actually spent $200.00 a "Mega" byte to up the machine to 8 Megs. Then I set a dipwtich on the motherboard so that 4 megs were "expanded" rather than "extended" memory. The difference in the graphics was incredible :o. (Yeah well for the day they were :roll:). I played WC and all it's successors, add on's and voice packs, etc. In some ways it was way more fun than anything of today is...

[[TT]BrundleFly]

I gamed on Dos and Windows too. Do you not remember having to have boot discs for each game. :D
ApacheI installed the OS/2 Boot Manager so I didn't need any boot disks. I just had multiple config.sys+autoexec.bat files that I could select from off the Boot Manager Menu...

[CarbonFire]

BrundleFly;48744']WOW now those were the days. I had a 286 that I played Wing Commander on. I actually spent $200.00 a "Mega" byte to up the machine to 8 Megs. Then I set a dipwtich on the motherboard so that 4 megs were "expanded" rather than "extended" memory. The difference in the graphics was incredible :o. (Yeah well for the day they were :roll:). I played WC and all it's successors, add on's and voice packs, etc. In some ways it was way more fun than anything of today is...
Wow, the memories.

I had almost the exact same experience. Except our first PC was a 486dx and by that time RAM had dropped to the low low price of $100 per MB :roll:

Good times :2thumbs: And +1 to the awesomeness that was WC. Back in the glory days of Space combat games, before that genre shriveled up and died :cry:

[imlittlev]

remember x-wing alliance?

that was my fav space flight sim