Great commanding on conquest

[GeneralSnake]

Sometime this afternoon, maybe about 12 or so.
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Do you guys like to fight when you command? When I do I dont go frontlines like I normally do, I will be either a sniper or engineer and hang a little back at the frontline flag. That is what it gets me, and sometimes alot better.
This was on fall of berlin.

[baller4life2468]

You arent supposed to fight whikle commanding....thus called no pilot commanding.

[GeneralSnake]

How is flying fighting? It is alot easier to throw up the command screen in laying down behind cover compared to flying a ship.

[baller4life2468]

Well yes bit you are supposed to just stay in one spot and command...do ur job

[obscurehero]

the point is it distracts you. It depends on how much micromanaging you need... how good your squads are.

[killa_zn]

ill fight on both titan and conquest, ill never pilot a vehicle tho.
but most of the time ill fight in titan since commanders do like, nothing.

[minfootball]

i see comanders doing this all the time and it really pisses me off if i'm in a vehicle and need supplys... it just makes the comander look greedy for points and not caring about the rest of the team especially when they are front line getting lotsa kills not caring about the round :P

[tigershilone]

Well yes bit you are supposed to just stay in one spot and command...do ur job

Where does it say this?!?!?

there is usually a post line in the opening load screen advising against pilot commanders and I don't remember if it shows up ingame on the left upper screen with the other green Cain's lair messages.

2142 commander points come from how well his team does, so it makes sense for the commander to give sensible, accomplishable orders to the squads and support them as much as possible. Some ppl can do this and be able to fight as well, some ppl can't. Point is, he/she has paid for the game the same as you and I and they are entitled to play it the way they see fit as long as they aren't being an asshat ruining play for others. This includes the commander position. PPl have different skill levels ingame and some do great and others sux, but that is the joy of online gaming. Do I get annoyed when I see a commander running around the entire round fighting and not doing any commanding? Yes sometimes, but it is his decision to make. Keep in mind if he is out fighting the whole round making lots of points for himself and the team gets hardly any, his final score will be very poor, regardless of how many points he scored during play. If it really bothers you, apply for command yourself. If your rank doesn't make the cut during election, tough luck, he has earned more rank than you and that is part of the game.

Here is a question, have you played commander a lot? I had over a hundred hours in BF2 and let me tell you, when your team is discoordinated rookies and 1 person primo dona allstars, life is very hard behind the headset as you get blamed for EVERYTHING, even when they dont do a thing you tell em too. Plus you get to put up with the drunk/stoned guys that make no sense, the spammers, the cursers, and the guys just there making life miserable for you because they think it's fun to mess with you. And very rarely will you receive any praise.
Having a great team is joy to behold, as most good squads allready know what to do and just need a "big picture" input from you and an occasional spot of enemy troops and armor. but either way, good or bad, it takes time to learn to command well and know what needs to be done.

With that said, it is great to have a commander that knows his stuff and gives you supplies and spots out everything and drops beautiful artillery strikes, but again, this is a learned skill.
The asshat commanders who drop arty on friendlies, and other stupid stuff like giving enemies supplies generally don't last long and can be reported in the jerk thread. I've taken screenies that have gotten commanders like this banned before.
Most fall into the middle somewhere, command is a tough job, give em a break.

Now as to actively fighting while commanding, I have seen a couple that can do it and command well. If there is a bunch of armor sitting around unused, there is no point letting an infiltrator grab it and commander can defend assets as well as anybody. Most will need to spend more time in "command screen" display and this is a distraction and doesn't lend well to active fighting and absolutely no piloting an air vehicle. Depends on his skill level and what he wants to accomplish. Commanders seem more needed on conquest mode, titan is nice to have a good one, but doesn't seem as critical as conquest.

It's just a game, not a competition that your livelihood depends on. Play for FUN!!!!!!!!!

Tiger_Shilone

[TheProphet2213]

i agree with tiger, baller i hardly actually take that back i have never ever seen u command once, and i have for a couple of rounds, trust me people will ask you ur age ect ect. just random crap and i try to also give motivation to the squads like Good job guys, and u guys are great at taking silos, or this one if we lose, Guys it doesnt matter if we lost in game, ur all winners to me.

Baller if u dont know urself to do ur job sunday night i told all of you to defend the titan and u got bored started complaining and u left and well who came after u left with half the squad leaving me with one person to help defend why the whole team of the eu and we wasted them all so as far as u being bored hmmm i guess ur just a repellent to enemies.. :owned3:

[goldenfooler]

i only said no.. for conquest... for titan i usually take a transport and run around as a pod launcher to where i want people. Or i take a good sniper placement and snipe while between uavs. Scanns on titan don't seem to do as much, neither do call outs of specific units.

[lilfoo]

i believe it truly depends on how much micro you possess. this is your first time commanding? well then you should stop, find a safe spot and do your job with 100% of your attention. going for your 1,000th win as com? by all means show us your micro. When i com it mainly depends on my team. do i have leaders that request supplies and UAV's? do i have a team working group? how many unassigned people do i have? tactical commanders are only as good as their squads.

i never cross midfield when i com no matter how far we get. my front lines push in a tactical manor if i can get them too while i stay behind and revive and heal the wounded and the whole team will know i am doing it. every time i go into the com window i have a hub out and every one on my team can come get heals if the choose to. the only major kills i get when i com is i especially own people that try to MGS to our back lines. i see them coming i find the best owning point i go there and wait then own them.

it is just a show of how good you can multi task. if your a *bad* com and only do front lines stuff and repeatably ignore my pings for supplies i can always mutiny and explane it over the chat system.

EDITED by Rand for language.

[Dose]

Voted no. As some of the other guys stated, some people can fight and command well, but I'm not one of them. IMO there's far too much going on in game (especially 64 man servers) that's to easy to miss. A commander who consistantly spots out enemies is invaluable. SAT Track refreshes every 15 or 20 seconds, and should be used the instant it pops up. There's really no way you can do this and fight effectively at the same time. All it takes is one enemy to slip through the cracks and capture a back flag (say on Berlin or Camp G) to open up the entire map and change the whole game.

In turn, if you're on the attacking team, and one of [i]your[i] guys busts through and is trying to cap a flag by himself, it's far more important that you spot anyone bearing down on him who's trying to prevent him from getting the cap. You just can't do all these things while fighting, defending yourself, and being part of the fight in general. And, if you die, it takes you completely out of the game for 15 seconds rendering you utterly useless to your team. Basically as commander, you can more or less provide a constant UAV for your team (to an extent), even when the actual UAV is not active.

I'm only speaking for myself and from personal experience. I don't want to make this post sound like there is a right, or wrong way to command. To each his own.

[Dead_And_Gone]

Early Monday morning, I was on CQ, when we all noticed there was no commander. Decided we needed one and dived in, taking one for the team. Great fun. Did 2-3 rounds as commander, and my squads kept me happy, and I kept them happy. We totally kicked tail.

End result, I got several hundred points as commander, first LT, and some very happy team players. I'd rather be in a squad letting Major Massacre blow my tank up than doing commander, but we do what we must. :)

I'll protect my base when possible, but you won't see this old man crashing the front lines as commander. It gets very busy for me, as I'm planning where I need what, and Singing out leaker information on VOIP. Even drop some EMP strikes just to totally mess with them. :)

Spamming UAV's, Supplies, and coordinating Sat scan with orbital strike timer takes some juggling. Do it right and everything synch's right in.

You are right though, sometimes it gets boring, that's why I prefer playing squadie.

[thedeadlyassassin]

Well yes bit you are supposed to just stay in one spot and command...do ur job


You can fight and do your job at the same time. I've seen it done a lot.


I think you should be able to fight if you continue to command.

[CarbonFire]

Depends.

On Titan, commander can usually sit and defend all game while still being effective. On Conquest, only in low population servers can the commander truly do his job and fight at the same time.

The more players that are on the battlefield, the harder and more time-consuming it is to keep track of all of them. If there is no commander on like a half-filled conquest 64 map, I'll do the job and maybe pick a few people off as I see the need. But once the server fills, theres just too much going on not to be glued to that commander screen.

Anyone can be a commander and do it poorly. Its more than just throwing up an occasional UAV or orbital barrage...you are the eyes and ears of your team. Yes, having fun is the goal, but as commander your job is also to ensure your team has fun by winning the game (if they can).

[Ventana]

ill fight on both titan and conquest, ill never pilot a vehicle tho.
but most of the time ill fight in titan since commanders do like, nothing.

I only fight on titan when the shields go down. then as soon as it's under control I go back to commanding... if I haven't lost control of all the squads at that point. I still can't understand why a squad leader will refuse my orders when he's already defending or attacking a silo or go to the silo I ordered him to right after he refuses. don't get it.

[Ventana]

Most of the time playing commander is like playing alone. I hardly ever get a response on VOIP from anyone other then a CLR. So i spend the time dropping supplies to snipers and when we take a new silo or when someone asks for it. I point out open silos, amount of defenders, things like that. I also like to find the enemy snipers and drop an EMP attack on them... just to let them know we know where they are, LOL. Most will move.

[MeepZero]

Id love to see how CarbonFire runs the commander seat.

I like commanding on Conquest, and maybe on Titan if the noobs feel like listening or doing their job.

[MeepZero]

Anyone else think that the command channel would be a lot more effective if squad leaders could chat back and fourth too?

[Geddy]

Anyone else think that the command channel would be a lot more effective if squad leaders could chat back and fourth too?



Absolutely,...

Squad leaders can communicate now with other squad and platoon leaders,...

One would think that by 2142 the communication would be even better!


Geddy

[MeepZero]

I thought that commanders dont get points for kills anyway. Does anyone know how the commander point system actually works?

[MeepZero]

Anyone else think that the command channel would be a lot more effective if squad leaders could chat back and fourth too?



Absolutely,...

Squad leaders can communicate now with other squad and platoon leaders,...

One would think that by 2142 the communication would be even better!


Geddy

You could get realy fancy and have a group of squad leaders in TS while everyone else is in the normal game :P

[Thrashdragon]

I voted no, as the majority of players are not capable of fighting and commanding effectively. There are exceptions (some of them here), but most people can't pull it off. I try not to fight in Conquest unless I'm the only one close enough to handle a situation. It is really easy to get caught up in the ebb and flow of battle and forget to get your assets out.

A Titan commander's role isn't as important, as things shift so quickly, so I'm all for fighting and commanding on Titan.

[KurlonT]

Does anyone know how the commander point system actually works?

BF2142 Commander Guide (http://bf2142fever.com/content/Commander)

The commander score is divided in two parts. The actual commander score and the commander bonus points. The commander score is what wou will need to get the awards that talk about commander score, the bonus points only count towards your career points.

Commander score follows a not so easy scheme. In general you can say your score is the average of your teams score, but this is not the precise method. For each point a member of your team gets during a round, you get that point divided trhough the number of people in your team. So as an example, if someone gets 1 point and your team has 10 people, you get 0.1 score added. So if everyone of your team gets 1 score, you get 1 score as well. At the end of the round, only the full scores you accumulated will count, all fractions are rounded down. So if you have a few people who do not score anything, they will effectively stunt your score as commander.

Bonus score is applied for good squad work. This means that if you give squads orders to attack or defend, they accept that order and then one of the squadmembers actually kills someone in the area where the command is located, you get a bonus point. These count towards your career score.

Actions such as EMP strike, UAV, orbital strike, supply drops, killing enemies yourself, capturing and defending control points/silos will not count at all towards your score in any way.

At the end of each round, the commander of the winning team gets his points doubled. The commander of the losing team will have his points stay the same.

[werewolfdaddy]

I'm constantly watching for flanking maneuvers and people trying to sneak around, so I constantly watch the commander screen. However, I can command and fight at the same time. When you're losing, you need to fight.

[Ventana]

I thought that commanders dont get points for kills anyway. Does anyone know how the commander point system actually works?

When you kill someone as a commandwer you get a commander point but it still shows up on your stat as a kill.

[MeepZero]

Thx for the commander post Kurlon :D

[GeneralSnake]

Well yes bit you are supposed to just stay in one spot and command...do ur job
You guys dont seem to understand. I am commanding alot more than fighting. I was in one spot pretty far back from our frontline flag the ENTIRE time. I didn't die.

[Akkineko]

If you are EU commander on FoB, Gibraltar or Cerby you will have to fight and command at some point if someone sneaks past the main zerg to take the back bases. Alot of times there will be noone else there to take care of business and if u lose a back base it generally means a mark in the L column for you

[CheebaNinja]

Yea its almost required to win on some of the maps because everyone is on the frontline.If im a SL on those maps im usally the one that goes to help clean up and its usally already to late.

[MasterChief]

commader sould be on the front fighting along side his troops
that is my 2 cent worth

[Kriotek]

i think as long as u command properly then u can fight but it is only in the cases of if the titan is being over run or the control points are being lost rapidly that the commander should maybe get stuck in to the fight but in between that they hav a right to hang back and pop a few heads if they so wish.

[Trout of Doom]

I often fight as commander.
I get sick of people asking for supplies and when I ask where they say "where I'm standing"
Ok...wtf is that supposed to mean, get your squad leader to request them at your location...
I will gladly drop supplies for anyone who requests it the squad leader way. I assume they are working as a team.
I usually will for people who are sneaking around their base blowing up stuff if I notice them.
I hate it when I'm riding in seat 3-6 on an apc or transport ship and people say "OMG NOOB COMMANDER!!" It's not like I can't watch the commander screen while in there...and lets face it, seats 3-6 in an apc or high flying transport are mostly useless other than holding passengers.
And I even feel that if no one else is around, the commander as the gunner of a walker or tank is OK too...

[minfootball]

I often fight as commander.
I get sick of people asking for supplies and when I ask where they say "where I'm standing"
Ok...wtf is that supposed to mean, get your squad leader to request them at your location...
I will gladly drop supplies for anyone who requests it the squad leader way. I assume they are working as a team.
I usually will for people who are sneaking around their base blowing up stuff if I notice them.
I hate it when I'm riding in seat 3-6 on an apc or transport ship and people say "OMG NOOB COMMANDER!!" It's not like I can't watch the commander screen while in there...and lets face it, seats 3-6 in an apc or high flying transport are mostly useless other than holding passengers.
And I even feel that if no one else is around, the commander as the gunner of a walker or tank is OK too...

i agree with most of this but i still perfer not fighting as a comander except when our team sucks or the enemy sneaks past :2thumbs: