Is UT3 dead here ?? [Archive] - Cain's Lair Forums

Kronos[X]

6th Dec 2007, 04:41 PM

Like I'm out of the loop from sun-wed, so was just wandering what's up. Like I don't see much forum activity, but when I logged-in last night I had to wait to get in the server because it was full. It stayed full till about 3:00 am, which is pretty good for the lack of players. I logged-in today at around 3:30 pm and it was full again, but it crashed, so now I'm waiting for it to be restarted. So is the Lair giving up on this game, I only see a few forum members playing. I think this game is going to need a little time to pick up, so I hope you guys don't give up too soon. I'm telling you as soon as some of the server issues are taking care of, the community is going to make this game rock. Yeah this game isn't as good as UT2K4 out of the box, but it still is a lot of fun.

So guys give me some feedback here. I'm try to make an effort to save this puppy. Like what do you see going on. There has to be something we can do to make Cain's Lair the go to server. Like what's everyone think about the orb. I think its overpowered, but everyone seems to like it. Like it can be way too easy to win a map with it. On Torlan you can run the orb right to the enemy prime and win the match in less then 30 seconds. The other night on Floodgate I grabbed the orb and held the floodgate node for 3 floods, mind you I did have a nightshade for backup, but still it was way to easy. You can turn this off, but with the poor link set-ups the games might be a little stale. I think I'm going to check out the editor to see if you can change the link set-ups. Hopefully things will pick up, because its just not the same elsewhere.

Ghost_Rain

6th Dec 2007, 04:48 PM

I was wonder in the same thing :?

Premonition

6th Dec 2007, 04:51 PM

Well there was a huge gap this year with no good games. Then in the last 2 months we had a couple that really drew attention. First et:quake wars came in to give a bf twist to ET. Then for traditional shooters tf:2 came out and then the mother load dropped with cod4 the just had everyone going nuts.

While x-mas will surely help some, ut3 beta didnt generate the excitement ut2k4 demo did. The system specs are a little steep for ut3 turning off alot of lower to mid range system owners. Not to mention i still haven't seen 1 commercial for ut3. Even sony who has timed exclusive rights isnt advertising it :shock: . I see a cod4 commercial pretty much nightly. Look at spike tv music awards and ut3 nor epic is mentioned that i saw.

UT3 needs advertising like fast to get the word out the game even released. They need to get a good demo out to show what warfare is all about. A patch would also be nice to fix issues people that own the game are having.

But all in all there is only so much time in the day and splitting gaming time between tf:2 cod4 and ut3. Like in cod4 after people get all the unlock some players will go back to other games. But at first cod4 is just really addicting.

I wouldnt say ut3 is dead... people will be getting system upgrades for x-mas and the game for x-mas. But ut3 does have some issues that need to be addressed, like marketing.

MoonUnit

7th Dec 2007, 12:08 AM

midway is said to have money problems atm so i doubt we'll see much advertising happening.

Cain

7th Dec 2007, 12:31 AM

Unfortunately UT3 is dead everywhere .........

:cry:

juneau

7th Dec 2007, 07:13 AM

I wouldn't say it's dead, but it's numbers are no where near COD4 (which is crazy high). Also, it's not like COD4 is 'the best game everrrrr' but i think people like the fact that it runs well on old systems.

Kinda sad really that the PC market is being held back by the consumers. :)

One thing i have been doing everytime i play on the server is send out a bunch of buddy invites to as many people as possible, and using the text 'Thanks again for playing Cainslair.com Warfare!!'

I have quite a lot of buddies now, a lot of which play consistently on our server. :)

Cain

7th Dec 2007, 07:53 AM

:2thumbs:

Rand{CLR}

7th Dec 2007, 08:48 AM

Kronos, part of the problem is that the "community" just isn't there. It's not going to be anything like UT2k4 in that the active community keeps throwing up new content and continue playing for years. There simply isn't this level of support--at any given time, there are fewer than 1,000 people worldwide playing this game. That's not very good. The "community" is NOT playing this game, and there are a lot of former hardcore ONS players who have moved on to COD 4 and seem to like that better.

I'm beginning to wonder if those who already gave up on it from the Beta Demo and comments after final release that nothing was changed will bother coming back after the patches. Epic just did too much wrong from the beginning that alienated a lot of the older players. To me, this is a bigger factor than hardware requirements keeping the non-hardcore folks away. The game is scalable after all--even if it's not as much as we may like because of the poor UI.

It's my belief that the only hope this game has left is that a lot of people have it on their Christmas lists and pick it up by the end of the month. The game may not be dead, but it's on life support, and that cord is yanked at the end of the year if more people don't get into it. At a certain point after release, you lose the ability to entice new players, regardless of how you may begin to advertise it.

Note another problem: we're currently losing half or more of our human players with EVERY map change. That's also not good. I don't know what's causing it, but I played a few rounds after you and Devilguns were on yesterday, and it was the same with each switch. When I joined, there were 16 other humans on. By the time the fourth map started, there was 1. We were never able to recover after each map change, and more people left after each switch than the one before. This is around 6-8pm EST, which is telling me that even at the start of prime-time gaming for many, there just isn't a lot of people out there clamoring to join servers.

-Rand

Rand{CLR}

7th Dec 2007, 08:54 AM

On a positive note, we did have just enough players yesterday to raise us from 7th to 6th overall in server rankings (which takes into account all UT3 gametypes, not just Warfare).

IF (big if? dunno) we are able to get a level like that this weekend and hold it for a while, we'll be top 5 for sure, and maybe 2-3rd by late Sunday. :2thumbs:

-Rand

juneau

7th Dec 2007, 10:32 AM

I'll be around to help out. Even if i just sit afk from time to time. :2thumbs:

Ghost_Rain

7th Dec 2007, 10:45 AM

THey are more and more empty sever on all game types on UT3 :(

juneau

7th Dec 2007, 10:47 AM

THey are more and more empty sever on all game types on UT3 :(

Then let's fill the servers up. Going on about it won't help. :)

Premonition

7th Dec 2007, 11:08 AM

has anyone checked over at twl to see how the pro community is doing? If the ladders are healthy then more players will come.

BigTwinky

7th Dec 2007, 12:16 PM

As per gametracker, seems that Cain's is the #1 UT3 server running right now. Not sure what they go by to track though...

http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/63.113.60.2:7777/

7th Dec 2007, 04:44 PM

Next to nothing coming out of the competitive community so far. There are a couple of ladders setup but as far as I know, no activity yet although the patch needs to be released and I would assume the Web Admin for servers as well before anything too serious happens.

Grisu

7th Dec 2007, 06:05 PM

morituri te salutant... :twisted:

(DSP)-Bar

7th Dec 2007, 06:07 PM

:beat:

Sirex

8th Dec 2007, 06:21 AM

I think the main issue, and most wont admit it is.
They expected an updated 2k4 with another game type, but epic did say they where going more ut99ish.
So i reckon thats the issue, everyone (obviously not everyone) loved how 2k4 played, how it worked, and then when ut3 came out it was like a dulled down game to them.

Fluffy

8th Dec 2007, 06:47 AM

Devilguns

8th Dec 2007, 07:05 AM

I don't think that's the issue. UT players only make up 2-3% of the FPS playing public. The issue isn't that it's not getting much of that 3%. The issue is it isn't getting any of the other 97%. They made a game with no mainstream appeal at all.

Thats the feeling I'm getting. I think what would have been a better beta release strategy would to have included a Warfare map. That VCTF Suspension Manta-rape-your-face map was really good at discouraging anyone who played Unreal for the first time.

Slaughter

8th Dec 2007, 07:14 AM

As per gametracker, seems that Cain's is the #1 UT3 server running right now. Not sure what they go by to track though...

http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/63.113.60.2:7777/

Gametracker is Beta and buggy. And they only rank against other servers registered with them.

Fluffy

8th Dec 2007, 07:15 AM

Thats the feeling I'm getting. I think what would have been a better beta release strategy would to have included a Warfare map. That VCTF Suspension Manta-rape-your-face map was really good at discouraging anyone who played Unreal for the first time.
I'm not sure that would have helped all that much either. War is very similar to vctf in it's gameplay. It just replaces small maps containing slow vehicles camping flag areas while fast vehicles whiz about dragging a flag runner on a board or people going solo on foot with a flag with small maps containing slow vehicles camping node areas while fast vehicles whiz about dragging an orb runner on a board or people going solo on foot with an orb. War is just ons for ctf players. They needed a gametype to hook in the mainstream players and there isn't one.

Cain

8th Dec 2007, 09:41 AM

Kronos[X]

8th Dec 2007, 05:20 PM

Almost seems like Epic have split the community up even more. I do wish they would just dump the single player, DM, and CTF. Well whatever happens, It was at least great gaming back here at the Lair.

Grisu

8th Dec 2007, 06:30 PM

With the newest NV 169.17 beta drivers the game has become playable somewhat. Don't own CoD4, don't need scripted games. This is more fun.

Though I remember the good old days {CLR} vs T.32 .... :cry:

[TT]BrundleFly

8th Dec 2007, 07:01 PM

I have had UT3 sitting is the box since the day I got it. I am really having a good time finishing up Bioshock.

But my main problem is it sounds like Warfare is mostly like Onslaught. And all I wanna play is CTF... plain old CTF...

Premonition

8th Dec 2007, 07:12 PM

[TT]BrundleFly

8th Dec 2007, 08:31 PM

We are a dying breed brundle :( us plain old ctf`ers. A man his weapon, his friends and his flags. Those where the good ol days.

btw there was just a update for bioshock :) encase you didn't know. I don't recall what the pc update has but it should be out by now.
I guess people are tired of CTF... :cry:

And no I didn't know Bioshock had an update, I'll check it out...

Thanks

:D