Sad "news" for all of the PC community of the world

[Caddys83]

Ok, let me say first one of the good news is that MW2 is not delayed Robert offically confirmed it on twitter and on a webcast...



Now the sad news...
Me phantom and warhead was listing to this interview

BASHandSlash.com - The BASH Webcast Live (http://www.bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=76)

Im trying to summarize the content as shortly as I can from the BASHandSlash.com - Home (http://www.bashandslash.com) webcast and only highlight the sad points of the info that was said untill they can get a replay of the interview up. from this morning webcast interview with Robert (fourzerotwo)

*There will be "no" dedicated servers, only a match type system similar to the 360 LIVE called IWnet. We "pc people" will host the game
*The charging for the DLC (download content) was brought up and 402 didnt have much info on it but the words "I hope so" from him was said.
*There wont be much any of the MOD communities
*No more PunkBuster

I been wondering serveral things:

Could this be the reason for the "rumor" delay that was going around for the PC? They couldnt get the "dedicated server" stuff in-time for the mw2 release date so they just did aways with the dedicate server stuff since IW had been on the quite side of things about this rumor untill today.


I had been wondering why hasnt there been anyinfo on http://www.evenbalance.com for the PB and I guess the "no dedicated servers" had something to do with it. Alot of people are upset, Who was IW research circle group that told em that this is what "we" wanted :pissed:

[Guile]

No dedicated servers :(

Charging for DLC :(

No mods :(

Steam support :)

Guess as long as it doesn't have Games for Windows Live I'll still buy it.

[Todd98]

Caddy, Should this game be bought for a console then? If the PC version is going to end up like the info. you gave us.:cry:

[Caddys83]

OK the webcast replay interview is up:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799

be sure to scroll the clip to 1:38 cause the webcast is into 1 hour and 38 mins into the show untill Robert (forzerotwo) enters the webcast interview


Todd98- Honestly... I cant answer that question. I'm still somewhat shocked from the interview I just listened to. (yeah for a game lol) I mean, I have co-workers who have the 360 and they are getting MW2 for the 360 so I may just move my PC pre-order to the 360. I did reserved the PC copy so I can play here on Cains Lair and umm... I'm not going to lie, on other other servers as well and for the mod maps.

[bobytt]

Well if this is true, i am canceling my preorder for 3 games at amazon. Good job IW.

[ch33s3r]

This sounds horrible. What were they thinking? I'm going to hold off on buying it. :|

[juneau]

Another yay for consoles killing PC's. Way to go. I won't be joining the kiddy friendly joypad brigade.

Pre-order cancelled.

Nice to see they left it this late to announce it btw. I can bet they had this idea months ago. I know i probably shouldn't say this, but i hope MW2 now becomes the most pirated PC game of all time.

[Ghost_Rain]

canceled I can't take the risk.

[bobytt]

Another yay for consoles killing PC's. Way to go. I won't be joining the kiddy friendly joypad brigade.

Pre-order cancelled.

Nice to see they left it this late to announce it btw. I can bet they had this idea months ago. I know i probably shouldn't say this, but i hope MW2 now becomes the most pirated PC game of all time.

Same here. Order canceled!

[K PhaNTOM]

Yup called Gamestop and asked on their policy on Canceling preorders and they said full refund based on your payment method. I paid in cash and he asked if I was canceling MW2. Without even me giving my name or anything. Now that says something... I'm going to take a picture of my receipt and post it on their forums. Guess it's more COD4. See ya guys ingame.

[Caddys83]

After the interview with Robert (fourzerotwo) the show continued for about a hour or so more in the chat from the webcast, alot of people was posting they are canceling their pre-orders as well. :(

[ch33s3r]

Yup called Gamestop and asked on their policy on Canceling preorders and they said full refund based on your payment method. I paid in cash and he asked if I was canceling MW2. Without even me giving my name or anything.

LOL! That's awesome

[Ghost_Rain]

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/Ghost_Rain_2008/11.jpg

[bobytt]

For IW:

Dear ****** ******,

Your order has been successfully canceled. For your reference, here's a summary of your order:

You just canceled order #104-02072-5658 placed on September 12, 2009.

Status: CANCELED

__________________________________________________ ___________________

3 of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC




Total: $179.97
Important Messages
This order has been cancelled.

[juneau]

The sad thing is that IW won't get the message. They knew this would cause a mass outcry yet they went ahead with it anyway.

Even if dedicated servers are added at a later date, i still wont' be buying this game as it'll be dead in the water or have a similar fanbase to W@W.

[BuzzSaw55]

I never pre ordered but I definatly wont buy it if there is no multi player online

Joe

[bobytt]

Well looking forward for next game. Sad but those ********* force me to do it. I will play the game at least single player. But i will not pay for it.

[juneau]

I never pre ordered but I definatly wont buy it if there is no multi player online

Joe

There is multi player, but as with consoles you won't be able to choose where you play. You also won't be playing on powerful low ping dedicated servers either. Just lame Hosts.

[Skud]

There is multi player, but as with consoles you won't be able to choose where you play. You also won't be playing on powerful low ping dedicated servers either. Just lame Hosts.

That blows.

[Sniper1515]

Canceled my order and pre-orderd L4D2 instead. I cant even begin to describe how disappointed and angry I am at IW:pissed:

[{CLR}geneSW]

send IW a letter of complaint. If their actual mailbox is flooded that may send a nice red flag to them.

[Todd98]

This sounds horrible. What were they thinking? I'm going to hold off on buying it. :|

Yep, I am going to change my reserved copy of MW2 at GS to L4D2 & see what happens down the road for MW2

[DougBob]

I really hope everyone follows the same path and cancels, maybe it will make a big enough impact they will realize they messed up.

I'm not buying it now. I was, but not unless something changes.

[bobytt]

LOL they lock all the treads related with MW2 disappointed and i personally got banned that i posted that i cancelled my order. Way to go IW. Such a scumbags. Like a care and cant create another account. Anyway The way its look COD is dead for me unless they doesnt bring dedicated servers again. its like forcing us to play in lame servers with people we dont want. How crazy is that? some poor written script to decide where i am going to play?

[Ghost_Rain]

I have just ordered L4D2 & Borderlands on Steam now, I so p-off over this MW2 Carry on now.

[DougBob]

LOL they lock all the treads related with MW2 disappointed and i personally got banned that i posted that i cancelled my order. Way to go IW. Such a scumbags. Like a care and cant create another account. Anyway The way its look COD is dead for me unless they doesnt bring dedicated servers again. its like forcing us to play in lame servers with people we dont want. How crazy is that? some poor written script to decide where i am going to play?

They banned you. What the heck is wrong with these people. That's it. I'm going to register just so I can complain and they ban me. Come on everyone, let's keep them busy, ROFL.

[DougBob]

LOL they lock all the treads related with MW2 disappointed and i personally got banned that i posted that i cancelled my order. Way to go IW. Such a scumbags. Like a care and cant create another account. Anyway The way its look COD is dead for me unless they doesnt bring dedicated servers again. its like forcing us to play in lame servers with people we dont want. How crazy is that? some poor written script to decide where i am going to play?

What web site bobytt, is it the callofduty one?

[Caddys83]

Infinityward Modern Warfare 2 (http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13)

[Rand{CLR}]

Well, I sort of want to say "I told you so," but they went well beyond the level of FAIL I thought they would with no dedicated servers or PB.

This is Epic Fail all the way. :|

On the plus side, I preordered Dragon Age: Origins on Steam this afternoon before learning about this, and now that there's about 0 percent chance I have to worry about buying MW2 for multiplayer, I'm happy I have a lot more time to dedicate to what is now going to be GOTY (the FAIL of MW 2 will knock it out) and a dang awesome RPG.

Go to the Dragon Age site and look at the latest trailer with the snow and dragon fight. It's awesome.

-Rand

[bobytt]

LOL Doug yes they did. Not that i care. But is hilarious that i cant tell what i think , and i am a paying customer. I was going to drop almost 200$ for their game in the launch day. And because they took something from me that has been there since day one and i complain they ban me :) Funny thing...

They closed all the treads regarding this epic fail of Infinity Ward and anyone who post a new one is getting banned too.

Whatever :)

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I'll cancel mine also.. soon as I figure out how.. Who bought their's on Amazon and where do I go to cancel.

[bobytt]

I got mine from amazon, go to account->order the you going to see orders that are not ship yet. Choose modify or edit order and you can cancel there.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Never mind, I figured it out. I tole them that IW were idiots and that if no dedicated server, no order.

[Caddys83]

Amazing. words travel fast Im sure this would have some impact


no dedicated servers mw2 - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=no+dedicated+servers+mw2&start=0&sa=N)

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Went to the IW sight and signed up. There is a petition started down the page a bit on the forums to sign. Most folks are like us. Saying the same things. Cant believe its happening.

Some say that maybe they'll patch it in later. Dont know about that but if the delay for PC was gonna bring the whole thing to a halt then maybe they will patch it. I think they didnt want to risk missin out on the Christmas sales. So they went ahead and released it without dedicated servers.

At least I"m hopin thats what will happen. But it sure leaves a bad taste thinkin about how they are slowly trying to weed out the PC. If computer mfg's are smart they would help this along. Lot of lost sales on gaming machines that wont be sold.

I'll never play a console for the rest of my life. Not the same experience.

[Donziboy2]

Guess ill just add this to the (wait till its in the bargain bin to buy) list. BTW guys if you see me on XBOX live im always up for some ODST. Ive only managed like 2 games with friends since i bought it. I really hate Xbox multiplayer.... no coop unless you have them as friends is pretty lame.

[Todd98]

May it rest in peace.:pissed:

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Went there to post my concerns and they seem to have shut new submissions down. Was over 45 pages when I left. Dont know if they kept going but I couldnt post anything new. Maybe it was just me.

[juneau]

Went there to post my concerns and they seem to have shut new submissions down. Was over 45 pages when I left. Dont know if they kept going but I couldnt post anything new. Maybe it was just me.

They've shut it down? Seems like they've realised what kind of storm they've started.

12,300 results for no dedicated servers mw2 lol.

[Furryappleseed]

Man this is kinda sad, but at the same time not surprising. Really glad I ordered L4D2 when I had the money(along with my new 5850, cant wait till it gets here :D). I had held off on MW2 because of the rumors with it and im glad now.

Operation Flashpoint needs dedicated servers pretty badly and I don't think I will be getting another game with the same problem. Even if they fix it I may hold off just because of the way this went down.

I now have 60 bucks of expendable money. My dad need a new splitting maul and it will be my late birthday present for him. Thx IW :2thumbs:

[Jed_Clampet]

What a disappointment! There is an official petition thread on the IW site. It's up to 91 pages, was at 85 when I created my account to sign it.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121918

[Caddys83]

What a disappointment! There is an official petition thread on the IW site. It's up to 91 pages, was at 85 when I created my account to sign it.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121918

I can't even login. Something about mergin my account with the community forums

[DougBob]

Here ya go, should we go for it :2thumbs:
Dedicated Servers for CoD:MW2 - Signatures (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw)

[DougBob]

Just signed it.

[juneau]

Man this is kinda sad, but at the same time not surprising. Really glad I ordered L4D2 when I had the money(along with my new 5850, cant wait till it gets here :D). I had held off on MW2 because of the rumors with it and im glad now.

Operation Flashpoint needs dedicated servers pretty badly and I don't think I will be getting another game with the same problem. Even if they fix it I may hold off just because of the way this went down.

I now have 60 bucks of expendable money. My dad need a new splitting maul and it will be my late birthday present for him. Thx IW :2thumbs:

I'm tempted to preorder L4D2 now but isn't it like 4 players max servers? It's not like we could have a CL server. Urgh sounds so lame tbh. :(

[Pumpkin_Jack]

L4d2 boycotted
Now Mw2 is being boycotted by the pc community theres a bunch about it on the iw forum

[Furryappleseed]

I'm tempted to preorder L4D2 now but isn't it like 4 players max servers? It's not like we could have a CL server. Urgh sounds so lame tbh. :(

4 players per side, survivors and infected. There are some mods with l4d that let you do 8 or 9 per side now so more can play and it is actually pretty fun. I don't know how well it would do as a Cain's Lair game with all of the members but a 18 slot modded server could be good...kindamaybehopefully :D.

Im reaching, but unless something drastic happens with these IW guys, it looks to be the only mp game in the near future that we could all pick up.

Edit: @Pumpkin--> Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Ended (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176490) Don't know if it helps but eh...

[ch33s3r]

Edit: @Pumpkin--> Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Ended (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176490) Don't know if it helps but eh...

That's just 2 people that happened to be the "leaders" of a Steam group that people joined to support the boycott. These 2 guys didn't by themselves represent everyone participating in the boycott. Valve flew them out to their HQ and ever since then they've acted as if they aren't interested in the boycott anymore. A lot of people are still boycotting l4d2. I know, because I'm one of them.

[Jed_Clampet]

Here ya go, should we go for it :2thumbs:
Dedicated Servers for CoD:MW2 - Signatures (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw)

...I signed it!

[DougBob]

...I signed it!

Man this thing is growing fast. I was number 1016 and it's already up to 1845. :2thumbs:

[Ghost_Rain]

MY brother Called me from work this morning and all the MW2 pre-order's for the Pc there have been Canceled he say they over 12000 in the leeds area which people have canceled the game and rising fast:pissed:

[{CLR} Cobalt]

MY brother Called me from work this morning and all the MW2 pre-order's for the Pc there have been Canceled he say they over 12000 in the leeds area which people have canceled the game and rising fast:pissed:


Good, thats the only thing they will listen too. And like I said earlier, if someone puts out a decent game in the near future, IW will be history. They left a void that needs to be filled. If Treyarch would learn a few lessons they could benefit from all this. But I dont think they are that smart. Not yet anyway.

[Ghost_Rain]

Good, thats the only thing they will listen too. And like I said earlier, if someone puts out a decent game in the near future, IW will be history. They left a void that needs to be filled. If Treyarch would learn a few lessons they could benefit from all this. But I dont think they are that smart. Not yet anyway.

So true I just remembered to cancel my son copy as well from Amazon, What Make's me so mad they are favoring the console's over the Pc Don't they Rember there history Online Gaming was Born on the Pc not the Consoles.

[K PhaNTOM]

And to think i wasted all that time looking at that game. What a waste indeed. I need a friggin camera.

[The_Mhor]

Man this thing is growing fast. I was number 1016 and it's already up to 1845. :2thumbs:

I was number 7763. Really, really fast.

Sucks if there really are no Dedicated Servers.

I'd only buy the game at release if I know I can play here, so I guess I'll add it to the list of DRM infested games that I'll only buy once they're less than ?5, like RA3, Dead Space and Farcry 2...

:(

[{CLR} Cobalt]

The more I've thought about this the more angry I have become. I never even thought about pirating a copy of this game until now. I bought and paid for 2 copies each of Cod 4 and WaW. But there will be icicles in hell before I pay for this debacle of a game.

I'll wait and see what I can procure. I know they will be out there.

Caddy's you traitor, dont dare buy the PC version. Strength is in our unity on this deal. We have to fight them from a monetary standpoint. We need you buddy. :|

Oh, and I went back to the IW page and cant find the thread about the petition. Maybe I wasn't looking in the right place. But is wouldnt surprise me if they took it down.

What I dont understand is that did they really think the PC community would just roll over and give up on this deal.Surely they knew the outcry was coming. Maybe they thing they can wait us out and it will get the better of us and we'll cave. Maybe it was a calculated risk they were willing to take. But, I'll never play that crap, never I tell ya.

I hope that everyone in our community that pre-ordered has cancelled by now. Send them the message. We aint gonna take this lying down. And if you know of anyone not in our community that was thinking about getting it, encourage them not too.

Come on Treyarch, step up to the plate. It's bottom of the ninth and 2 outs. We got one man on first base and the game is tied. We need one out of the park.

[juneau]

Why is L4D2 being boycotting? I never knew this.

The thread is still there Cobalt. :)

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=61932&start=2570

When i wen to bed last night it was on page 110. Now it's on page 258. :D

[K PhaNTOM]

Come on Treyarch, step up to the plate. It's bottom of the ninth and 2 outs. We got one man on first base and the game is tied. We need one out of the park.

Baseball analogies... you're THAT mad?

Oh I read a great quote from some PC gamer.

He said replying to someone saying that "PC gamers asked for equality, now you got it!"

"In a perfect world, you do not lower the top. You help the bottom up."

That is exactly what is happening here.

(Whatcho think of my sig? )

http://i33.tinypic.com/f9pfrr.jpg

[Jed_Clampet]

Can you believe that IW DELETED the huge petition thread on its forums! :shock: When I went to bed last night the thread had well over 110 pages! This is unfreakin beleivable. Someone started another one and it's only around 7 pages. This is epic!

Dougbob, the online petition you posted a link to is now almost 12000! :o

[juneau]

Just come abck to say that the original thread was now gone. What i bunch of AHole mods. :(

[Caddys83]

What gets me is the console players from that infinityward site just dont understand what were upset about even after people try to explain what were upset about, they say things like quit crying, dont buy the game... ect...ect... :roll:

[juneau]

That's because console fanboys are idiots and always will be idiots. The game developers could start charing $100 per game and they still go out and buy them en-masse.

Just found this on OcUK. So funny LOL.

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[{CLR} Cobalt]

Baseball analogies... you're THAT mad?

Oh I read a great quote from some PC gamer.

He said replying to someone saying that "PC gamers asked for equality, now you got it!"

"In a perfect world, you do not lower the top. You help the bottom up."

That is exactly what is happening here.

(Whatcho think of my sig? )

http://i33.tinypic.com/f9pfrr.jpg

I like it... I like it a lot... ,

And yeah, I'm fairly upset. Put yourself in my shoes. Here I am on the verge of coming home all excited about everything and playing this game on a good connection was one of em. Now they go and drop the hammer on my azz.

Greed is killin the world, and IW is right up there with the rest. I hate these people. And personally I hope they never recover.

Console kiddies can have all the crap and fun they want. I've seen my nephews play online on Eggs Box. and all the juvenile crap that goes on is off the chain. I'm too old for that crap.... I really like to have a decent game with decent people on decent hardware. Why I signed on in the first place. I dont need a buncha juvenile delinquents runnin around with their hacks thinkin they're all that.

And believe me when I say, I wont spend a nickel with those folks ever again, unless they make this right.

One more thing how can anyone in their right mind think that after playing on dedicated servers you would ever.. and I mean ever,go to the format that they are proposing... do these people not even play the damn game. It just blows my mind.

'sigh'.... I need a drink.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Baseball analogies... you're THAT mad?

Oh I read a great quote from some PC gamer.

He said replying to someone saying that "PC gamers asked for equality, now you got it!"

"In a perfect world, you do not lower the top. You help the bottom up."

That is exactly what is happening here.

(Whatcho think of my sig? )

http://i33.tinypic.com/f9pfrr.jpg

I like it... I like it a lot... ,

And yeah, I'm fairly upset. Put yourself in my shoes. Here I am on the verge of coming home all excited about everything and playing this game on a good connection was one of em. Now they go and drop the hammer on my azz.

Greed is killin the world, and IW is right up there with the rest. I hate these people. And personally I hope they never recover.

Console kiddies can have all the crap and fun they want. I've seen my nephews play online on Eggs Box. and all the juvenile crap that goes on is off the chain. I'm too old for that crap.... I really like to have a decent game with decent people on decent hardware. Why I signed on in the first place. I dont need a buncha juvenile delinquents runnin around with their hacks thinkin they're all that.

And believe me when I say, I wont spend a nickel with those folks ever again, unless they make this right.

One more thing how can anyone in their right mind think that after playing on dedicated servers you would ever.. and I mean ever,go to the format that they are proposing... do these people not even play the damn game. It just blows my mind.

'sigh'.... I need a drink.



oh, and this quote is a veiled attempt to hide the censorship taking place at the IW sight.

Further clarification: This is in light of the recent news concerning the lack of dedicated servers as well as other issues that arose from the podcast. This thread has been edited to better reflect the situation

sorry for the double post.. my bad

[DougBob]

Can you believe that IW DELETED the huge petition thread on its forums! :shock: When I went to bed last night the thread had well over 110 pages! This is unfreakin beleivable. Someone started another one and it's only around 7 pages. This is epic!

Dougbob, the online petition you posted a link to is now almost 12000! :o

Holy Cow its up to 14841 and increasing about 1 every two seconds.

[Pumpkin_Jack]

Im boycotting L4D2 with my l4d clan and many others, and boycotting MW2 with the world. Furry they sent the two leaders of the l4d2 boycott to where ever their office is and pretty much bribed them to stop.

[juneau]

Asked before an i'll ask again. Why is L4D2 being boycotted too? Does it have this matchmaking crap?

[Caddys83]

Asked before an i'll ask again. Why is L4D2 being boycotted too? Does it have this matchmaking crap?

I may be wrong but I think it was that valve l4d "promise" a add-on pack/updates release before L4D2 launch and valve went back on its word. I dont remember the full detail

[K PhaNTOM]

Asked before an i'll ask again. Why is L4D2 being boycotted too? Does it have this matchmaking crap?

bugged match making system and it will be released a year after the first one was out. Meaning completely abandoning the first game which has more bugs than Whoopie Goldberg's hair.

[K PhaNTOM]

Guys if you wanna laugh go check out how 4Chan are spamming the forums. It's amazing.

[juneau]

Ahhn so it's greed once again.

Capitalism rules! :roll:

[Evilization]

original L4D was not worth a full-game price
only 4 maps, no story whatsoever, no characters, source engine
it was just like a zombie mod for HL2. I expected that they ll release more maps and stuff, knowing valve.
but they decided to release a new game instead with probably 4 new maps and put new skins on everything....

i guess its natural progression, once developers have had taste of consolers' money, they become greedy

has happened to FEAR (FEAR 2 beiing totally watered down), CRYSIS (Crysis 2 coming to consoles too with watered down graphics), COD (well, you know....)

[moe]

JUST SIGN ALMOST 16000 NOW,I THINK ABOUT MONDAY IT SHOULD BE WAY THERE ARE SIGNING IT WILL BE CLOSE TO 1MILLON:ty2::wave2::luvu:

[K PhaNTOM]

I bet a IW admin wants to come here and delete this thread. lol

[DougBob]

I bet a IW admin wants to come here and delete this thread. lol

ROFL, well I guess we don't have to worry about that happening :lol:

[juneau]

Not sure if any of you have spotted this.

This is a quote from Karl Magneus Troedsson from DICE, the Executive Producer of the Battlefield series:

Dedicated servers FTW. What ever secures a better online experience is a given for us.

This is a quote regarding dedicated servers in Battlefied Bad Company 2.

I suggest you follow suit.

Can't believe i'm giving kudos to DICE. :D

[Caddys83]

lol, Yeah I seen that. I was going to check twitter but twitter is down at the moment :(

[K PhaNTOM]

lol, Yeah I seen that. I was going to check twitter but twitter is down at the moment :(

Wait til u hear why it's down. Don't be too shocked.

[juneau]

Here's the petition link again for anybody who hasn't signed it.

Dedicated Servers for CoD:MW2 - Signatures (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw)

If you have signed it just click the link and refresh it every few seconds. Up up it goes. :D

[Apache Warrior]

I just signed and the total was 17878
Apache

[K PhaNTOM]

lol so I heard something FUNNY. Steam is REQUIRED (not conformed, but it's true) to play MW2 online. As if the aforementioned isn't enough. fail.

Also

Steam Community :: Group :: Modern Warfare 2 BOYCOTT (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/BOYCOTTMW2)

[Donziboy2]

<18261

and it went up like 20 in the time it took me to do my petition lol.

[Rand{CLR}]

I just signed in solidarity to you guys. 18584.

-Rand

[Evilization]

/signed

[juneau]

19498 :shock:

[Evilization]

anybody feel like playing COD4? :D
you know, like i mentioned yesterday in-game, everybody is wondering what game to go to next
we can always stick to COD4, like how ppl stick to CS for a decade

[K PhaNTOM]

I took this quiz to see how addicted to MW2 info I was. Got 10/10 from first try. You might wanna check it out too. It's a prize thingi. So use this link so I can win one, ok?

Win a FREE copy of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Prestige Edition - Playfire.com (http://www.playfire.com/win-codmw2/313736303730)

[Ghost_Rain]

Signed

[bobytt]

Every time i think about this cr@p i got mad. IW from a great developer become most hateful one. Shame!

I really hope whoever came with this disgusting idea to got fired on the spot.

[Caddys83]

What do you guys think of this IWnet?? You think its something that they will charge on a monthly bases?

[DougBob]

Dude, I'm listening to this cast on BashandSlash.com of Rob Bowling and unless these ignorant folks change their tune towards PC gamers, I don't want it. Free or otherwise.

[Caddys83]

:luvu:Every time i think about this cr@p i got mad. IW from a great developer become most hateful one. Shame!

I really hope whoever came with this disgusting idea to got fired on the spot.

I can imagin Robert (fourzerotwo) is thinking "why I did that interview"

[Caddys83]

Dude, I'm listening to this cast on BashandSlash.com of Rob Bowling and unless these ignorant folks change their tune towards PC gamers, I don't want it. Free or otherwise.

Yeah I been listening to this replay webcast a few times and im listening to it right now to pick up on somethings that I may had miss or missunderstood.

[DougBob]

What do you guys think of this IWnet?? You think its something that they will charge on a monthly bases?

Keeping in mind the company mindset I would say it's a possibility. With the way they're going now it appears they have cut all other game networks out. The ONLY way you can multiplay is using their IW.net. So with that in mind it wouldn't be hard for them to try and pull a powerplay and charge for it.

I'm listening and it's really bumming me out that it sounds like their coders are a bunch of console kiddies that want to bring the PC community in line with their PS3 and XBox360 community. They actually said that too. That is their goal.

[Furryappleseed]

Well, this does seem to leave the door wide open for Bad Company 2. Im not gonna put too much more thought into IW since their decisions where made knowing full well what they meant. It wasn't like they didn't know what was going to happen, and they did it anyway. They could fix it and maybe gain a customer back, or they can go with samsung and never have me buy anything from them again....either way.

L4D2 has turned out, imo, not to be a "map pack with new skins" according the the endless vids and articles I have been looking at. I get the feeling that if the exact game was to come out next November nobody would be complaining. Thats just me though.

[Ghost_Rain]

So from what I have read people who are still going to but this pants of a game is going to after install the game and link it to steam just to god dam play it ?

[K PhaNTOM]

ok so this is how it works. You buy game, install, use steam, and IWnet will do all the matchmaking. Or you can buy via steam. So steam is a requirement. Which also means using VAC that takes 2 weeks to ban an aimbotter or such.

[Caddys83]

Not sure if any of you have spotted this.



Can't believe i'm giving kudos to DICE. :D

Finally twitter works:)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6423/twite.jpg

[bobytt]

Which also means using VAC that takes 2 weeks to ban an aimbotter or such.

IF the filthy hacker get banned....

[Ghost_Rain]

Wow that really Sucks

[K PhaNTOM]

OK funny video is being spammed into the forums now. LOL you'll get it once you open it

YouTube - You Are a Pirate!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUe-Ebe8dWU)

[Ghost_Rain]

OK funny video is being spammed into the forums now. LOL you'll get it once you open it

YouTube - You Are a Pirate!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUe-Ebe8dWU)

LoL Love it:2thumbs:

[Evilization]

Well, this does seem to leave the door wide open for Bad Company 2. Im not gonna put too much more thought into IW since their decisions where made knowing full well what they meant. It wasn't like they didn't know what was going to happen, and they did it anyway. They could fix it and maybe gain a customer back, or they can go with samsung and never have me buy anything from them again....either way.

L4D2 has turned out, imo, not to be a "map pack with new skins" according the the endless vids and articles I have been looking at. I get the feeling that if the exact game was to come out next November nobody would be complaining. Thats just me though.

im not complaining about just L4D2. They released an unfinished game at a price of a full game. Now, they are releasing the remaining materials at also a full-game price. thats greed right there. I watched the videos too, not different enough from the original if u ask me

If L4D2 is released next november, thats even worse. That means all they can come up with, given another year, are mappack and new skins

[Warhead]

They're going nutz over at the Infinity Ward forums. I just got IP banned for VIEWING the threads!!! I wasn't logged on, not replying or anything, just reading the posts when bam... lolz

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll230/Darkngrim/iw.png

[bobytt]

Welcome to the club!

[Sniper1515]

just signed as number 26197!

[Ghost_Rain]

Do you think they are a bit upset by the response they have been getting ?

[bobytt]

Do you think they are a bit upset by the response they have been getting ?

Why they would be upset? Anyone with little or no brain would know what the result of their action is going to be....

[BadHabitz]

just signed the petition as #27990

[Donziboy2]

10k more signatures in less then 5 hours :shock:

30000 x $60 = somebody just lost his bonus :twisted:

[Caddys83]

Do you think they are a bit upset by the response they have been getting ?

I'm sure some of them on IW team are upset, but they are not going to talk about it openly. Probably the head honchos doesn't even know what has happen untill Monday comes around since all of this took place over the weeken, The admins deleting post over at the Infinity forums isn't going to help. They only real way to see if there is any impact is if IW along with gamestop, amazon, bestbuy. ect... release their numbers for the cancellations orders of MW2 PC

[Sniper1515]

I cant imagine that they predicted this sort of out cry, from the petition alone they are losing over 1.5 million in revenue and that's only on day two!

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I was thinking also of the people overseas. How the heck they gonna connect to something through the US. Can you imagine what the ping is gonna be.

Juneau... you play and you'll get a taste of what I been doin for 2 years.

I cant beleive IW is that stupid. I wonder if they are just naturaly stupid or do they have to work at it.

Oh, and the folks over on the Steam forums aren't as calm as us. :D

[BadHabitz]

I get the sense that this is something they didn't want leaked out before the game went on sale.
I'll bet they figured that we'd all buy it and play it because we spent money on it. Then we'd all come to like how the multi-player was setup after we got accustomed to it.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I also read this little tidbit...


i get that pc gamers are pissed off. but the threads popping up are just a joke.

first people complain about getting no attention, "the consoles get everything".
now when pc gamers get the same product as the console gamers the world is going to end.

i swear to got it is like having a 5 year old in your car and driving past McDonald's without stopping. having a temper tantrum never gets you what you want.

I cant remember any thread anywhere any time about any PC gamers wanting to have connections like the consoles. I think our beef was about the companies catering to the console people with extra stuff that that wasnt even considered for the P
C crowd. And charging us more money to boot.

Its this kind of mentality that really , really makes me want to tell the guy to gargle with clorox.

[Caddys83]

I also read this little tidbit...




I cant remember any thread anywhere any time about any PC gamers wanting to have connections like the consoles. I think our beef was about the companies catering to the console people with extra stuff that that wasnt even considered for the P
C crowd. And charging us more money to boot.

Its this kind of mentality that really , really makes me want to tell the guy to gargle with clorox.

well in a way, its somewhat true, we did asked to be
"equal" and they took that in strived :grin:

[Guile]

YouTube - Hitler rants about the lack of dedicated servers on Modern Warfare 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKty5Kpf4w)

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I laughed out loud.

This thing is a long way from over.

[bobytt]

I wrote few e-mails to
Gizmodo, the Gadget Guide (http://www.gizmodo.com) ,
THE INQUIRER - Microprocessor, Server, Memory, PCS, Graphics, Networking, Storage (http://www.theinq.com)
Fudzilla (http://www.fudzilla.com) as many e-mails of activision workers i managed to dig up online. And am still mad...

[moe]

34,345 last count:ty2::wave2:

[Caddys83]

You guys think this is what we are expected to get with this IWnet?

Find game
Connecting to game (2 bar connection)
Waiting...
Waiting...
Lost connection to host
Find game
Connecting to game (5 bar connection)
Waiting...
Waiting...
Game already full
Find game
Connecting to host (1 bar connection)
Waiting...
Waiting...
Game Joined...
(2 mins into game)
Lost Connection to host
Find Game...

[bobytt]

34,345 last count:ty2::wave2:

Not enough!

[Furryappleseed]

So if IW changes this dedicated servers fail, you guys think you will pick it up?

I don't think I will. Kinda feel like they have lost me.:(

[{CLR}geneSW]

If you are really mad and want to do something about it.... send them an actual letter.... They can't ignore a overflowing mailbox but they can ignore an overflowing e-mail inbox...

[Warhead]

So if IW changes this dedicated servers fail, you guys think you will pick it up?

I don't think I will. Kinda feel like they have lost me.:(

I won't, after this nonsense there is nothing they can do to get my money. I hope they do fix it though. I think the last 2 days have damaged IW's image irreparably, and MW2 will fail for PC regardless of anything they do now.

I'm sure they'll be perfectly happy making console games for the rest of their days.... and without modders giving them fresh concepts, I can't see that lasting too long.

[juneau]

I won't, after this nonsense there is nothing they can do to get my money. I hope they do fix it though. I think the last 2 days have damaged IW's image irreparably, and MW2 will fail for PC regardless of anything they do now.

I'm sure they'll be perfectly happy making console games for the rest of their days.... and without modders giving them fresh concepts, I can't see that lasting too long.

The sad thing is that it will. Because console players are spoon fed idiots.

I always thought console players were stupid and after reading a lot of their comments in the PC outcry threads it's finally been confirmed.

[Tuqui-tuqui]

Very sad to hear about this.

Well, I didn't pre-order but this is goes into the do-not-buy list

[Duke{CLR}]

I almost wish that I had pre prdered it so I could cancel it. Like I have said before, consoles have done to gaming what budweizer did to beer, the took all the flavor out of so it would sell to the masses. Fear not though on about 30 years gamings microbrewery revolution will fix it.

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Well this sucks. I have high hopes for Battlefield Bad Company 2 though! Better teamplay in that game anyway. :2thumbs:

[Furryappleseed]

Well this sucks. I have high hopes for Battlefield Bad Company 2 though! Better teamplay in that game anyway. :2thumbs:

:2thumbs: Too bad we have to wait so long for it though.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I always thought console players were stupid and after reading a lot of their comments in the PC outcry threads it's finally been confirmed.

Lmao... i agree Juneau.. it was the same when I read their comments. I posted one couple pages ago.

It just boggles my mind how the console kiddies can talk about something that they have no clue about. Probably 90 percent of them havent even played games on a decent gaming rig. And I aint talkin about a Pentium III 500MHz chip with an 64mb video card. Nor the bandwidth that is offered for PC's now.

'Sigh'..... I wish for one day that there could be a match between console players and PC players. I'm talkin the good guys from both sides. I have a feeling the console players would get their azzes handed to em.

Reachin all over the stupid little gamer control to throw a nade, when all I have to do is move my thumb 1/8 of an inch and its gone. While the guy on the console has his thumb in other places.

[Ghost_Rain]

This is a great read lol.

EL33TONLINE: News - New Modern Warfare 2 matchmaking service announcement causes ripples (http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2009/10/19/new_modern_warfare_2_matchmaking/)

And yes I forgot to add this Video before hear go's

[DVDF]Redskull / Subtitle movie with BombayTV (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie-uk-700f301e7c205ae71ac1fead18c76adb.html)

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

Lmao... i agree Juneau.. it was the same when I read their comments. I posted one couple pages ago.

It just boggles my mind how the console kiddies can talk about something that they have no clue about. Probably 90 percent of them havent even played games on a decent gaming rig. And I aint talkin about a Pentium III 500MHz chip with an 64mb video card. Nor the bandwidth that is offered for PC's now.

'Sigh'..... I wish for one day that there could be a match between console players and PC players. I'm talkin the good guys from both sides. I have a feeling the console players would get their azzes handed to em.

Reachin all over the stupid little gamer control to throw a nade, when all I have to do is move my thumb 1/8 of an inch and its gone. While the guy on the console has his thumb in other places.Controllers have come a long way Cobalt(they have more than 1 button now woot!) I personally dont care what I play on. I own on all platforms. Improvise, adapt, overcome! Something tells me that when you tried playing a console you got your ass handed to you. I dont have that problem. Even though I started pc fps gaming back when Rise of the triad came out, I didnt get my first gaming rig till December 2005. So that would make me pretty green when it comes to experience on the pc compared to alot of others, and I still owned them all. :twisted:

[K PhaNTOM]

Is anyone else starting to cool down? I didn't have a nightmare last night so that's a good start!

Never mind it's back! WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!!!

[Ghost_Rain]

I believe They will be making an announcement in the next few hours.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Controllers have come a long way Cobalt(they have more than 1 button now woot!) I personally dont care what I play on. I own on all platforms. Improvise, adapt, overcome! Something tells me that when you tried playing a console you got your ass handed to you. I dont have that problem. Even though I started pc fps gaming back when Rise of the triad came out, I didnt get my first gaming rig till December 2005. So that would make me pretty green when it comes to experience on the pc compared to alot of others, and I still owned them all. :twisted:

I dont think you fully understood the gist of what I was getting at. I wasnt real clear. I played on an eggs bogz for almost a year. I also used the newest controllers they had. When the wireless ones came out. I just didnt like the way it handled. Too much movement all over the dang game pad. Not concise and not as compact as the PC.Not even gonna comment on the connections and kiddies in the game yappin all the time with some racial slur or curse word.

Sure there are guys that are good at using them, but I still hold premise that a good PC pro will wipe the floor with a console player going head to head anyday. If they used their respective controls.

There are a myriad of benefits of PC over the consoles. Its just that consoles can be controlled by money grubbing bean counters and PC's for the most part cant. Well up until whats happening now. Plus the console kiddies dont give a crap about price, momma and daddy have to pay anyway. Microsoft knew that and now IW is trying to jump on the money train at the expense of alienating a whole demographic of players.

And on top of that, consoles contributed absolutely nothing, helping these gaming companies get to where they are today. That one thing by itself makes me sick.

I'm happy that you're happy playing a console. Not mad at you but as you can see whats happening, the gaming industry is at a crossroad right now. And what happens with this deal will go a long way in setting precedent in the future.

I for one dont like it and dont have to give them my money....ever.

[{CLR} Major.Massacre]

I dont think you fully understood the gist of what I was getting at. I wasnt real clear. I played on an eggs bogz for almost a year. I also used the newest controllers they had. When the wireless ones came out. I just didnt like the way it handled. Too much movement all over the dang game pad. Not concise and not as compact as the PC.Not even gonna comment on the connections and kiddies in the game yappin all the time with some racial slur or curse word.

Sure there are guys that are good at using them, but I still hold premise that a good PC pro will wipe the floor with a console player going head to head anyday. If they used their respective controls.

There are a myriad of benefits of PC over the consoles. Its just that consoles can be controlled by money grubbing bean counters and PC's for the most part cant. Well up until whats happening now. Plus the console kiddies dont give a crap about price, momma and daddy have to pay anyway. Microsoft knew that and now IW is trying to jump on the money train at the expense of alienating a whole demographic of players.

And on top of that, consoles contributed absolutely nothing, helping these gaming companies get to where they are today. That one thing by itself makes me sick.

I'm happy that you're happy playing a console. Not mad at you but as you can see whats happening, the gaming industry is at a crossroad right now. And what happens with this deal will go a long way in setting precedent in the future.

I for one dont like it and dont have to give them my money....ever.I too dont like that gaming companys are giving us pc gamers the shaft. Thats greed for ya though. Maybe if enough of us dont buy it, they might feel the pinch. -Crosses fingers- :2thumbs:

Oh yeah I never liked the xbox slim controller either(dumb layout). I have monster hands so it never felt right. Surprizingly the ps3 controller works for me perfectly. You should look into BC2. The UT and Battlefield series of games is what made Cains lair really shine and standout from other servers.

There is no "I" in team! :D

[juneau]

I dont think you fully understood the gist of what I was getting at. I wasnt real clear. I played on an eggs bogz for almost a year. I also used the newest controllers they had. When the wireless ones came out. I just didnt like the way it handled. Too much movement all over the dang game pad. Not concise and not as compact as the PC.Not even gonna comment on the connections and kiddies in the game yappin all the time with some racial slur or curse word.

Sure there are guys that are good at using them, but I still hold premise that a good PC pro will wipe the floor with a console player going head to head anyday. If they used their respective controls.

There are a myriad of benefits of PC over the consoles. Its just that consoles can be controlled by money grubbing bean counters and PC's for the most part cant. Well up until whats happening now. Plus the console kiddies dont give a crap about price, momma and daddy have to pay anyway. Microsoft knew that and now IW is trying to jump on the money train at the expense of alienating a whole demographic of players.

And on top of that, consoles contributed absolutely nothing, helping these gaming companies get to where they are today. That one thing by itself makes me sick.

I'm happy that you're happy playing a console. Not mad at you but as you can see whats happening, the gaming industry is at a crossroad right now. And what happens with this deal will go a long way in setting precedent in the future.

I for one dont like it and dont have to give them my money....ever.

Well said Cobalt. :2thumbs:

[RuThLeSsKiLLa]

this move on IW has rise up the battle between console and pc gamers.

im not much upset as i did only wanted to play it singleplayer campaigns. too bad for ya MP peeps.

[bobytt]

Fudzilla - Death of dedicated servers for PC gaming at hand (http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16015/1/)



Death of dedicated servers for PC gaming at hand
Written by David Stellmack
Monday, 19 October 2009 03:44



Infinity Ward starts it with the PC release of CODMW2

With the release of the PC version of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, developer Infinity Ward has announced that the end of dedicated servers is at hand; and instead the company will be launching its new IWNet matchmaking service that Infinity Ward will operate.

The decision is likely going to seriously change the way that the PC community plays games in the future. Infinity Ward is talking about making the entire process more accessible by getting rid of dedicated servers that are hosted and managed by players. Of course, initial reaction by the COD PC community has been outrage.

Infinity Ward is trying to paint the change in a positive light because users will now be reliant on the IWNet service, and there is no worry about dedicated servers or having access to them or enough of them. Players will still be able to play private matches and have control over the settings of the types of matches that they wish to participate in.

Those who are now enjoying the ability to develop new maps, customize or modify are likely to be out of luck due to this change, at least to start with. While the developer does admit that they don’t have all of the answers yet, they are committed to this direction and this is the direction that they will be taking with the PC version of CODMW2 and for future versions of the franchise going forward.

Understandably, many in the COD PC community are actively speaking out and suggesting that this type of closed system is not what they want going forward. The decision could have far-reaching implications for many PC games going forward.

One developer to already weigh in on the controversy is Battlefield developer, DICE. DICE says that they have no plans to do away with dedicated server support on any of their upcoming PC Battlefield titles. Sources tell us that the company is puzzled by this move by Infinity Ward, and believes that at least on the PC platform dedicated server support is fundamental to the support and success of the game long-term.

Some in the COD PC community are already calling the announcement “Black Saturday” and the “day of infamy.” Many in the community are concerned that Infinity Ward is trying to re-make the PC environment into a console-like environment that the PC is not. Some are questioning why Infinity Ward, who was a developer who was clearly so closely connected to the PC world and made successful by the PC players, would move to destroy the community.

We make the bold prediction that you have not heard the end of this controversy; and we believe that it is likely that the change could hurt Infinity Ward more than they can imagine. No more LAN parties, no more dedicated servers to practice on; this represents a total change that it is likely the PC community will rebel strongly against. If PC gamers want a console, they own a console. They do not want PC games to be like console games, and we think in the end Infinity Ward (despite their good intentions) will realize this.

[mapes]

Signed and it's at 77241

[Duke{CLR}]

Signed and it's at 77241

Signed what? could you re-link I cna't seem to find one.

[DougBob]

REPOST: Here is the petition link for you guys that haven't seen it.

Dedicated Servers for CoD:MW2 Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/dedis4mw)

[Duke{CLR}]

Sweet I'm 80149 . If you take 1 from 9 that equals 8 which is double 4... thats gotta count for something.... :D

[BadHabitz]

Not sure how much of a story the petition is, since you can sign multiple times.

[Skud]

Good article, Boby...hits some of the many nails created by this right on the head. Also, good for DICE, I hope they take all of IW's customers and create a game that outsells the current king, COD4, by a few 100 million.

Oh, Duke, I'm 80,528. I'll get a refund for my pre-order tomorrow...I could use the money for some lame pop artist of the month and be better off. :D

[Duke{CLR}]

Not sure how much of a story the petition is, since you can sign multiple times.

That's too bad, stacking the count only hurts in the long run.

[BadHabitz]

I signed it twice, just to see if it could be done. But you know there are plenty of guys who feel strongly enough to really abuse that.

[DougBob]

To Console Gamers:

First let me say please do not take offense to anything posted here referencing Console gamers or games. You are a very important part of online gaming.
You have to understand, this is the reason PC Gamers are upset over this move by IW.
PC Gamers and their rigs are the reason you have a quality consoles like the PS3?? and XBox 360??. Like it or not, PC gamers pioneered the online gaming community, nurtured and watched it grow as hundreds of thousands of us around the world worked the bugs out of the games; put the hardware thru its best and worst; determined which platforms were popular and what network protocols were best to use for the online game play.
The manufacturers used this information the PC gamers directly contributed in bringing to fruition and brought you the high quality online and standalone games and consoles.
The technologies contained within these consoles are directly from the hardware developed and tested in PCs. The motherboards, CD/DVDs, CPUs and the GPUs capable of running the console games you so enjoy are either directly from the PC market or hybrids of their pioneering fathers.
In all fairness, I should mention the early days console contained technology used in Apple(Machintosh) computers and standard chips used in a variety of other devices too numerous to mention.
Concerning the latest consoles, the newest addition to this technology was the Cell processor in the PS3, which even though it didn?t see any time in a PC it was developed from information and results learned from PC performance on multi-core processors to directly compete with the new multi-core CPU technology.
Now to address the rant of the PC gamer, it has been said by some individuals who like the consoles over the PC, not you in particular mind you, but they say the PC gamer is childish and keeps whimpering they want the same thing the manufacturers are putting into the consoles. This is NOT a true statement. Far from it actually! In reality the PC gamer likes the flexibility the PC provides with the ability to upgrade to the latest mouse, keyboard, video or sound card. We like the ability to compete against others, over clock our CPU and GPU, control our own environment, customize maps, player avatars, weapons, environmental items like bullet damage and gravity. PC gamers do not want the simple hand held controllers a console provides because we like the high speed spin in combination with a head shot a keyboard and mouse provide; the numerous buttons on a mouse we can program to what action we like and the 100+ keys on the keyboard we can do the same with.
The PC gamers have feared for a few years that the game manufacturers would forget where their home is and start leaving the PC platform out of the picture when developing their latest bundles of joy. Well this boys and girls is their first step into testing the waters on this great journey.
But above all of the items mentioned, we like the ability of running our own server, controlling and fine tuning it. We like the full control of the machine to provide a gaming environment filled with choice, whether it?s a gaming environment of players who don?t curse, call others derogator names, ensure new players follow the rules and respect others OR a gaming environment for those who don?t care and want to be able to call someone a !@#$ stick and talk about their mother, etc.
So when you read these forums stating how upset we are, it may sound a little like we don?t like console gamers or the consoles themselves, don?t misunderstand this. That?s not the entire picture. You have to remember, some of us have been around a long time on this great journey. Some have become the best PC FPS gamers in the world and gone on to be sponsored by a mother board or video card manufacturer.
Remember that we were playing networked games like DOOM the original, released in 1993, over an IPX protocol connected with a thin net cable stretched around a living room or kitchen and even stretched between houses while console gamers were playing their standalone console game.
So I say again console gamers: We don?t dislike or hate you. We understand you, but please, I say again, please, remember, if it wasn?t for the ones like Cain who started their Cain?s Lair community and stuck with it for over 10 years or the dedicated hard core clans that take it all to seriously sometimes and travel thousands of miles to compete. If it weren?t for that, you wouldn?t have that console to play those cool online games on.
So when our way of playing online games is challenging even further by those that think we are obsolete and need to be brought into line with the console way of doing things. YES, we tend to get a little testy. So please forgive us, BUT NEVER FORGET how it all came to be!

[Skud]

+1000, DougBob. And without servers like Cain's, we'd all just be random particles floating around the net...and would never have had the chance to laugh with, get mad at, respect, and grow with such a great community as the Lair. :ty2: all.

[ryanbatc]

Why they would be upset? Anyone with little or no brain would know what the result of their action is going to be....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r43/ryanbatc/failshipmentmq6.jpg

Dang I was actually looking forward to playing a cool game with fellow CLRers

[Caddys83]

To Console Gamers:

First let me say please do not take offense to anything posted here referencing Console gamers or games. You are a very important part of online gaming.
You have to understand, this is the reason PC Gamers are upset over this move by IW.
PC Gamers and their rigs are the reason you have a quality consoles like the PS3?? and XBox 360??. Like it or not, PC gamers pioneered the online gaming community, nurtured and watched it grow as hundreds of thousands of us around the world worked the bugs out of the games; put the hardware thru its best and worst; determined which platforms were popular and what network protocols were best to use for the online game play.
The manufacturers used this information the PC gamers directly contributed in bringing to fruition and brought you the high quality online and standalone games and consoles.
The technologies contained within these consoles are directly from the hardware developed and tested in PCs. The motherboards, CD/DVDs, CPUs and the GPUs capable of running the console games you so enjoy are either directly from the PC market or hybrids of their pioneering fathers.
In all fairness, I should mention the early days console contained technology used in Apple(Machintosh) computers and standard chips used in a variety of other devices too numerous to mention.
Concerning the latest consoles, the newest addition to this technology was the Cell processor in the PS3, which even though it didn’t see any time in a PC it was developed from information and results learned from PC performance on multi-core processors to directly compete with the new multi-core CPU technology.
Now to address the rant of the PC gamer, it has been said by some individuals who like the consoles over the PC, not you in particular mind you, but they say the PC gamer is childish and keeps whimpering they want the same thing the manufacturers are putting into the consoles. This is NOT a true statement. Far from it actually! In reality the PC gamer likes the flexibility the PC provides with the ability to upgrade to the latest mouse, keyboard, video or sound card. We like the ability to compete against others, over clock our CPU and GPU, control our own environment, customize maps, player avatars, weapons, environmental items like bullet damage and gravity. PC gamers do not want the simple hand held controllers a console provides because we like the high speed spin in combination with a head shot a keyboard and mouse provide; the numerous buttons on a mouse we can program to what action we like and the 100+ keys on the keyboard we can do the same with.
The PC gamers have feared for a few years that the game manufacturers would forget where their home is and start leaving the PC platform out of the picture when developing their latest bundles of joy. Well this boys and girls is their first step into testing the waters on this great journey.
But above all of the items mentioned, we like the ability of running our own server, controlling and fine tuning it. We like the full control of the machine to provide a gaming environment filled with choice, whether it’s a gaming environment of players who don’t curse, call others derogator names, ensure new players follow the rules and respect others OR a gaming environment for those who don’t care and want to be able to call someone a !@#$ stick and talk about their mother, etc.
So when you read these forums stating how upset we are, it may sound a little like we don’t like console gamers or the consoles themselves, don’t misunderstand this. That’s not the entire picture. You have to remember, some of us have been around a long time on this great journey. Some have become the best PC FPS gamers in the world and gone on to be sponsored by a mother board or video card manufacturer.
Remember that we were playing networked games like DOOM the original, released in 1993, over an IPX protocol connected with a thin net cable stretched around a living room or kitchen and even stretched between houses while console gamers were playing their standalone console game.
So I say again console gamers: We don’t dislike or hate you. We understand you, but please, I say again, please, remember, if it wasn’t for the ones like Cain who started their Cain’s Lair community and stuck with it for over 10 years or the dedicated hard core clans that take it all to seriously sometimes and travel thousands of miles to compete. If it weren’t for that, you wouldn’t have that console to play those cool online games on.
So when our way of playing online games is challenging even further by those that think we are obsolete and need to be brought into line with the console way of doing things. YES, we tend to get a little testy. So please forgive us, BUT NEVER FORGET how it all came to be!




Intresting story but I would have to disagree. They forgot about Edge 16 that was release for the Sega Genesis in '94 before Xband took off. Sega of japan even had their own modem I think it was called Sega Meganet or telegenesis modem or something around those names . Im not sure about the others but Sega netlink use the same IPX protocol. I would say Sega Netlink for the Sega Saturn was the launch pad for online game on the consoles. Online gaming for console been around just as long as online PC gaming.

[{CLR}geneSW]

Intresting story but I would have to disagree. They forgot about Edge 16 that was release for the Sega Genesis in '94 before Xband took off. Sega of japan even had their own modem I think it was called Sega Meganet or telegenesis modem or something around those names . Im not sure about the others but Sega netlink use the same IPX protocol. I would say Sega Netlink for the Sega Saturn was the launch pad for online game on the consoles. Online gaming for console been around just as long as online PC gaming.

The point he is making though Caddy is that the PC has been the driving force for most of the major upgrades made to the consuls....and he is right in that aspect. This isn't the say that developments wouldn't have been made, but they would have been made a lot slower.

[Tuqui-tuqui]

Any word from IW?

[Ghost_Rain]

Any word from IW?

No they no word yet mate the are hiding in the Conner scared to face the pc owns wrath.

[Skud]

currently the online petition has 99,000 signatures. I know that there could be some fools who doubled up or more...but if that number were accurate, multiply it by $60 and IW loses $5,940,000.

[Cain]

What are these idiots thinking !?!?

I guess we need to find a game that loves PC gamers.

[WalkinTarget]

If it hasn't already been brought up, this seems like one of those 'forced upgrades' where IW provides the matchmaking servers, then when the newer version of the game comes out, they pull the plug on the older version, FORCING gamers to buy the newest version.

I fail to see how that makes good sense for them. I can still play UT99 if I feel the need, so why in Gods name are they changing the entire online gaming model all of a sudden ?

Hey, here's an idea !! Maybe they can make the perks a micropayment and increase their profits via that wonderful plan.
:2thumbs::pissed:

[Atomic Sloth]

101133...for the future of PC gaming.

This is a free country, they are free to do whatever they like with their product. Therefore, they are also free to accept the consequences of their actions.

[K PhaNTOM]

OFFICIAL IW RESPONSE

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

loooooooool

[Skud]

OFFICIAL IW RESPONSE

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

loooooooool

I want to interview him...let's see him laugh then...just once...please...:pissed:

[Warhead]

Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, stating that it would just "bifurcate the community."

Ummmm..........

[Caddys83]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5053/402blog.jpg

fourzerotwo's blog (http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745)


Modern Warfare 2 For PC
On 10.20.09, In Video Games, By fourzerotwo.

I recently broke news on a PC community member’s podcast that Modern Warfare 2 would be introducing a completely new backend infastructure called IWNET that would allow matchmaking for multiplayer games on PC. The news, by default, means no more browsing through a Server List for a server with the settings / ping you want among other things, and sent shockwaves through the hardcore PC community, leading to many more questions than answers as to ‘HOW’ this would work, and if it would really be better for the PC community as a whole.

Questions, assumptions, and speculation I intend to dispel.

Call of Duty:
Modern Warfare 2 is actually the biggest investment Infinity Ward has ever made into the PC version of our games. It’s also the most feature-rich PC version we’ve ever made. IWNET takes the benefits of dedicated servers and allows them to be utilized and accessed by every player, out of the box, while removing the barrier to entry for players unaware of how to maintain a server on their own.

How does it do this?

Matchmaking & Smoother Gameplay:
When you want to player a multiplayer game on PC, in the past. You’d have to scroll through a Server Browser which listed every available server which was hosted by individual server admins. Each had their own private rules, mods, or ways of playing the game. Most players would also use the server browser to find just the best quality game (based on PING). With IWNET matchmaking, it takes all that into account for you. All you have to do is select the playlist (pre-set gametypes with custom rules) that fits the style of play you are in the mood for. When you do, it will automatically find you a game with the best performance, ping, and preferences based on your location and individual connection as well as matching you with players of your same SKILL. So you’re always guaranteed the best game performance for where you are and what connection you’re playing on as well as an equal game with other players of your same skill level, not rank, but skill level. It doesn’t mean you’ll just be thrown into a random game! It will put you in the game that will give you the smoothest gameplay possible without you having to manually find a server with the best ping.

Playlists and Private Matches:
As I described above, Playlists are pre-set game modes and gametypes for public games. If you just want to jump into a public game of Search and Destroy or Hardcore Search and Destroy and you don’t care about fully customizing it, then you can utilize playlists to do that quickly for you. However, say you’re in a clan and you want to play a Clan match with another team, or you want to practice for an upcoming tournament that has specific rules in a private game. Then you can start a Private Match (which is essentially like running your own private server) where you have complete control over the rules, who can join, boot players you don’t want, and essentially control the entire game or tweak it to your liking. Once the rules are set, you can invite the other team in or just start it up with your clan to practice with the custom rules before the match. This now allows you to play custom games out of the box without the need to install mods, find a modded server with the rules you like, or worry about not being in control of the match.

Party System and Friendslist:
Modern Warfare 2 on PC also makes it much easier if you want to party up with your friends, or again, with your clan for a match. You can utilize the friendslist to see when your friends are online, and invite them to your Party. A Party allows you to move from game to game as a group. It’s great for clan matches, because you can party of with your clan and move from public game to public game together. Or if you’re doing a scrim, party up and invite the other clan (who is in a party) and they’ll all join at once. Set up a private match together and play. It makes setting up scrims or games with friends easier and hassle free.

Cheat / Hack Free Games:
The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.

All in all, IWNET adds a load of new features that the PC version of our games have never had before and allows us an infrastructure to continue to update and improve on the game post-launch.

[[nmzl]f0x]

/Signed

Now

105038 Total Signatures

:owned2:

[Tuqui-tuqui]

Modern Warfare 2 For PC
On 10.20.09, In Video Games, By fourzerotwo.

*SNIP*

All in all, IWNET adds a load of new features that the PC version of our games have never had before and allows us an infrastructure to continue to update and improve on the game post-launch.

What a way to screw over communities :|

He keeps speaking of clans as if competitive gamers are the only ones affected by this. Communities, like Cain's, which are large and several, actually created a home for players who wanted to keep in touch with other like-minded players. Community servers are well moderated and maintain a family environment. With this new system, unless I specifically state that I want a private session, forces me to play with spammers, people who we know will violate the TOS just to piss you off, and abuse the system pushing people away until the system turns into X-Box Live.

Bring back user-run servers or you get no $$ from me!

[Skud]

What a way to screw over communities :|

He keeps speaking of clans as if competitive gamers are the only ones affected by this. Communities, like Cain's, which are large and several, actually created a home for players who wanted to keep in touch with other like-minded players. Community servers are well moderated and maintain a family environment. With this new system, unless I specifically state that I want a private session, forces me to play with spammers, people who we know will violate the TOS just to piss you off, and abuse the system pushing people away until the system turns into X-Box Live.

Bring back user-run servers or you get no $$ from me!

Private sessions my arse. If the host wants to go to bed, you're screwed. If the host doesn't invite every CLR: screwed. If the host works different hours: screwed. Etc.

[K PhaNTOM]

Did you notice his tone on that blog? It's like a 10 year old kid trying to explain to his Dad how he broke the vase. I bet he's scared half to hell from all the death threats (I sure haven't said any hehehe).

[Chef]

Even a more insulting response.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

[K PhaNTOM]

http://i36.tinypic.com/351tto7.gif

[[nmzl]f0x]

NICE LOL

Nice one K :P:2thumbs:

[Skud]

Yeah, nice, Phantom. Free cognac with Op Flashpoint purchase? :D

[Dead_And_Gone]

The PR backlash is going to cost them.

Their PR response basically slaps private servers (Clans) as
money grubbing advertisers.

Whomever wrote their press conference release, needs to find another job selling kiddy cereal jingles.

They are Totally clueless. What do we offer on CLR servers?
Clean play, acceptable language on chat, but still a light touch from admins.
We want people to have fun, families to have fun.

Uber players? we gottem. Total walking targets? We have them too.
And everything in between. I've been killed by all 3 types.. lol
Cheaters need not visit. Asshats are not wanted.

Can you protect that kind of atmosphere in a free-for-all like they are presenting? It would be just like World of Warcraft trade/general spam, where every ethnic/vulgar/pathetically juvenile obscenity is regurgitated 24x7.

I was about to pre-order MW2, and now i'm glad i've waited. Can they change their minds and allow private servers? Who knows, but that would be admitting that they were all wrong. It would also be down the road, and almost impossible to get going at that point.

A game where everyone was excited to FINALLY have a new CLR game where everyone would flock to, has now lost a majority of the PC gamers interest. How many thousands of dollars of lost revenue and cancelled pre-orders?
There will still be some interest, especially for someone like my 14 year old, who just thinks the game looks "Neat", and gets Mom/Dad to buy it for them.

After waiting so long, having the carrot dangled in front of my face, and then yanked out of reach, burns worse than if it was never glimpsed.

************************************************** ******
As a side note, I played some new MechWarrior game with my 14yr old last night.. I'm Sure you could buy a more ergonomic game pad to play with, if you had the spare $100, but the 2 different types i tried out both suck. I did manage to kill him a time or 2, more by him running into my PPC shots, than me being able to aim with that twitchy glitchy right button.

I'll stick to my PC, thank you very much. :)

[Gimmie2]

110730 Sigs!!!!! I signed

[DougBob]

OFFICIAL IW RESPONSE

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

loooooooool

Read the comments below IWs response. This is exactly what I was talking about. Absolutely Clueless :pissed:

pc gamer has been spoiled. Console gamers has played cod 4 whit out dedicated servers and stuff and we are just fine.

Good for IW. Don't take the heat right. And with dedicated servers they are just one step closer to having PC vs. X-Box (for those who think they can handle mouse vs. sticks). I think this is a good move.

I look forward to this day, PC vs Console gamer in a match. Bring it on:pissed:

Also, the large 4chan led assault on the IW forums regarding this only proves that the majority of PC players opposing this are nothing more than childish whiners that are scared that their precious "clans" are going to fold because they can't run a locked server or that they're going to lose money due to not being able to rent out servers.

[DougBob]

Very well said Dead_And_Gone :2thumbs:

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I hate the time difference between us, so I'm always early, or maye late on posting here. But, I read this tidbit along with the rest of you guys.

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

Uh.. excuse me...... above the modders and tuners.... Prioritizing the player experience....mounting feedback.

So let me get this striaght.Little Johnnie goes to said server and gets his ass handed to him. He writes IW a letter whining about his ass handing and they say ok Johnnie, you dont have to play with all those bad people if you dont want to , we'll fix it for you, so you can play on the "Latest home office edition of your moms HP." and have a good experiece. After all you spend megabucks on stuff right. You're the reason we can continue tho be in business right.

Meanwhile, poor old Cobalt, who just dropped
3 G's on a gaming laptop will just have to suck it up and play without any input. Who gets his ass handed to him on a regular basis, but keeps coming back BECAUSE OF THE FREAKIN COMMUNITY OF WHICH LITTLE JOHNNIE KNOWS JACK **^(*&.


IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle

Where and who is this *&(**& majority this idiot is speaking of. Did this majority get a 100,000 sig petition up to change the game. Why havent we heard about this until now. No real gamer that I know would want this crap implemented. Does he thing these people that are able to program and mod the game are stupid.

I'll go on record as calling him a liar.

I've never had a reason to pirate a game before in my life. But I have one now.

Gaming just went the way of our govt. ladies and gentlemen. Everything is in your own best interest. IW is just trying to look out for you poor stupid PC gamers. They know whats best for you and how you should play.

The more I read in response from these people the more enraged I become. It gets worse every day. The way they have done this is criminal. And I hope they have to pay for this a long time in the future.

[Skud]

The more I read in response from these people the more enraged I become. It gets worse every day. The way they have done this is criminal. And I hope they have to pay for this a long time in the future.

Greed and power-tripping, Cobalt. The more these guys make/profit, the farther from reality they travel. We can boycott them...but, unfortunately, there'll be enough of the mindless mobs (the larger percentage being the ones they are now catering to, the console "fanboys") rewarding IW's pissing on them by buying their product, waiting to play with whomever IW chooses for them to play with...getting disconnected...lining up again, etc. Taking it in the, ahh, what's the part of the anatomy that I'm trying to think of...?

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I just thought of another aspect of the whole situation. PC guys are one group you dont want to piss off. I can see it now. DOS attacks, new hacks to disrupt the whole system, Steam going down constantly because of bandwidth issues and viruses. The list is endless.

These idiots just picked a fight with the internet, and I dont think the outcome is gonna be pretty.

I say good on em.

[bobytt]

i Just Thought Of Another Aspect Of The Whole Situation. Pc Guys Are One Group You Dont Want To Piss Off. I Can See It Now. Dos Attacks, New Hacks To Disrupt The Whole System, Steam Going Down Constantly Because Of Bandwidth Issues And Viruses. The List Is Endless.

These Idiots Just Picked A Fight With The Internet, And I Dont Think The Outcome Is Gonna Be Pretty.

I Say Good On Em.

Amen!

[K PhaNTOM]

YouTube - Bobby Kotick Holds Dedicated Servers Hostage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpZVnceJx4)

I wanna watch that movie...

[Skud]

YouTube - Bobby Kotick Holds Dedicated Servers Hostage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpZVnceJx4)

I wanna watch that movie...

Lol. Looks like it's time for those snipers to eliminate the problem.

[Caddys83]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8450/plnumber.jpg

The following applies to Playlists:

- the map: Not directly, though you can vote to skip maps that you dislike. Additionaly, we can update the playlists based on player feedback. (e.g. if people dislike playing Highrise in SD, we can remove it)
- the min players: Each playlist has a minimum and a maximum number of players.
- friendly fire: Also a per playlist setting; hardcore playlists tend to have FF enabled.
- weapons: All weapons are available at all times in all playlists.

To clarify; a Playlist is a set of gametypes, maps and rules (player count, health, friendly fire, gametype, bomb timers, score limit, etc...). So we make the "Search and Destroy" playlist. It's regular SD, 12-16 players, no respawns, etc... Then we can also make a "Hardcore Search and Destroy" playlist. It's SD, 12-16 players, no hud, low health, etc... But we can also make a "Hardcore Team Tactical" playlist. It's got all the standard hardcore rules, but it's 6-12 players, has smaller maps, and the gametypes might be Hardore SD, Elimination TDM, etc...
All of this is stuff we can update very easily.

Private Match:
Pick any map, gametype, and rules that you want. Play with as many or as few people as you want (up to the max limit). People can join in progress as they please. You can't disable specific weapons, but it's your server and if someone isn't playing by your rules you can boot them.

There's also the possibility this will be expanded upon in future patches. (I can't promise this of course, cause that's not my call to make)

And on that note, try to keep in mind that we're not just throwing this whole system out there and then washing our hands of it. We will be watching, playing and evaluating what works and what doesn't. The nice thing about PC vs the other platforms is that it's a lot easier to patch after we ship




But then in a different topic referring to the topic in question
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6338/plnumberoo.jpg

The information being quoted was an example and is not the official limit

[K PhaNTOM]

The information being quoted was an example and is not the official limit

Do you know what kind of machine you need to run a 50 man listen server? A none-existence one.

[Caddys83]

Do you know what kind of machine you need to run a 50 man listen server? A none-existence one.

What you talking about Willis http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9727/scrutinize.gif




http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/392/tels.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9466/telss.jpg


The Nvidia Tesla S1070 could hang http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3568/nvidiawoot.gif

[bobytt]

Thats not so sure...


Destructoid - Locke's Community Blog (http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Locke/we-own-everything-even-cod-mw2-152642.phtml)

[The_Mhor]

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners,"

Uh huh, sure. Not just prioritising the "forced annual rehashes putting money in Activision's pocket" experience then.

[K PhaNTOM]

lol my receipt is now everywhere.

[Caddys83]

lol my receipt is now everywhere.

damn and to think I was going to photoshop that KP out and name u Jason Loser with the letters from the ticket

[Caddys83]

oh wow, this is starting to take off :D

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9364/boyzj.jpg


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9784/boycott1.jpg

[mapes]

. Online gaming for console been around just as long as online PC gaming.


Nope not even close. Personally played 4 person Doom over NetBIOS creashing my employers poorly designed WAN (seagate if you must know) in 1993 and in 1991 this over IPX

Spectre was a computer game for the Apple Macintosh, released in 1991 by Velocity Development and Peninsula Gameworks. It was a 3D tank battle reminiscent of the arcade game Battlezone, and was one of the first multiplayer network games. Later games in the series were released for the PC and Nintendo Super NES, with Spectre VR being named to a number of lists of best video games.


And for that matter network snipes over IPX as well in 89

[Duke{CLR}]

Nope not even close. Personally played 4 person Doom over NetBIOS creashing my employers poorly designed WAN (seagate if you must know) in 1993 and in 1991 this over IPX




And for that matter network snipes over IPX as well in 89

We used to play descent on the LAN at ERAU in the early 90's.

[DougBob]

Yes it is Caddy, that is awesome :2thumbs:

[Caddys83]

Nope not even close. Personally played 4 person Doom over NetBIOS creashing my employers poorly designed WAN (seagate if you must know) in 1993 and in 1991 this over IPX




And for that matter network snipes over IPX as well in 89

The key word is "just as long" pc online gaming didn't really took off untill what 94 or so. Xband came around in 95 and the sega netlink around 97

[mapes]

The key word is "just as long" pc online gaming didn't really took off untill what 94 or so. Xband came around in 95 and the sega netlink around 97

Six years difference does not equate to equal

[K PhaNTOM]

I think caddys is comparing Online PC gaming to General Console gaming. PC had been working on netz way before consoles were able to, way before.

[Apache Warrior]

Nope not even close. Personally played 4 person Doom over NetBIOS creashing my employers poorly designed WAN (seagate if you must know) in 1993 and in 1991 this over IPX




And for that matter network snipes over IPX as well in 89

Nintendo had the Color TV Game Console in 1977 and NES in 1983. And I had an Atari in 1972.
Apache

[Caddys83]

Unbelievable, Koticks made this statment a few months back..:shock:

“if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further.” -Bobby Koticks Activision Blizzard CEO :pissed:

So he would raise the price to what? $70??? That would be about 75 bucks (plus tax for me) for a standard game. No collectors edition, and we'll come to find out all this mess??? I admit I wanted a collectiors edition, but even I would have to stop somewhere for standard version of the game that only comes with a DVD case and a book. And I remember reading people comments on serveral sites claiming its cause of inflation.. Yeah right :roll:

[Caddys83]

Six years difference does not equate to equal



I counted one year between 93 doom and the 94 inital start of Sega/ATT Edge 16 :scratch:. I didn't said it equal.. I did say "just as long" Ok the key word is "just" :D Most of us know about the late 80's bbs, and all the other basment hobby type internet either by living it or reading in the book. Heck I watch WarGames movie :D Anyway, I wasnt trying to get all technical like that era. Maybe I could find something on Atari front lines from the 80's modems and gaming since they were always coming up with stuff :D What I should had said; "I kinda disagree" instead of just saying, "I disagree."

But as far as I can remember when I played Doom, and Duke Nukem 3d. Around that era, gaming service were starting to poping up; heat.net, Mplayer, Arcadia, ect... To me, "that" is when PC online gameing gain momentum. Not in some Hobby Lobby type experiment. As it was pointed it out by {CLR}geneSW, I missed interpit what DougBob was saying since I needed cliff notes lol http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/801/bikez.gif

[{CLR} Cobalt]

And they wonder why the stuff gets pirated.

Your average high school player or college age guy complain about having to pay $3.50 for a Burrito. And they're gonna fork over $70 bucks for a game when they know they can get it for free.

Do the math!:|

[mapes]

I'm talking running a four person network game. Hands down PC had that first. I aint talking bbs crap

[Caddys83]

I'm talking running a four person network game. Hands down PC had that first. I aint talking bbs crap

same crap :D

[Caddys83]

I hope some of you guys would be able to attend this chat cause I will not be able to on November 3rd, the chat will take place from 6:00pm – 8:00pm Central time (7:00pm – 9:00pm Eastern) The guest are: Vince Zampella and Robert Bowling :ty2:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Live Chat Session - Best Buy Forum (http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Live-Chat-Session/td-p/58865)

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I hope some of you guys would be able to attend this chat cause I will not be able to on November 3rd, the chat will take place from 6:00pm ? 8:00pm Central time (7:00pm ? 9:00pm Eastern) The guest are: Vince Zampella and Robert Bowling :ty2:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Live Chat Session - Best Buy Forum (http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Live-Chat-Session/td-p/58865)

There will be absolutely no substance to this bs chat session. They will rinse and repeat what they have already regurgitated ad nauseum. Its just them wanting to spin it a little bit more. And will do nothing to change anyones mind. Ours or theirs.

There is no way that what they are proposing could ever take the place of a dedicated server. We know it , they know it, (and have known for a long time.) And the rest of the world knows it. Its all about us showin them the money. Plain and simple. Greedy bastages.

I hope the hacker world tears them a new one. Somebody needs to get organized and make sure they have more crap than they can deal with.
I'm that mad.

[K PhaNTOM]

Minimum System requirements is released. I know, you're not gonna buy it yara yara, but it's nice to see to minimums...

* OS: Windows Vista/XP
* Processor: AMD 64 3200+ or Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz or better
* Memory: 16 GB free hard drive space / 512 MB RAM (XP) / 1 GB RAM (Vista)
* Video Card: Shader 3.0 or better 256 MB nVidia Geforce 6600GT / ATI Radeon 1600XT or better

GameStop reveals minimum specs for Modern Warfare 2 PC (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/22/gamestop-reveals-minimum-specs-for-modern-warfare-2-pc/)

Here's a reply on IW forums

"MW2 Specs were released on the 18th by 402 himself:

1. An internet Connection
2. A torrent client."

LOOOL!!!

[Caddys83]

Minimum System requirements is released. I know, you're not gonna buy it yara yara, but it's nice to see to minimums...

* OS: Windows Vista/XP
* Processor: AMD 64 3200+ or Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz or better
* Memory: 16 GB free hard drive space / 512 MB RAM (XP) / 1 GB RAM (Vista)
* Video Card: Shader 3.0 or better 256 MB nVidia Geforce 6600GT / ATI Radeon 1600XT or better

GameStop reveals minimum specs for Modern Warfare 2 PC (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/22/gamestop-reveals-minimum-specs-for-modern-warfare-2-pc/)

Here's a reply on IW forums

"MW2 Specs were released on the 18th by 402 himself:

1. An internet Connection
2. A torrent client."

LOOOL!!!

man, 16 GB for hard drive.. And I thought Crysis Warhead was something lol

[K PhaNTOM]

man, 16 GB for hard drive.. And I thought Crysis Warhead was something lol

GTA-IV was 18GB. It's called a REALLY bad port...

[Skud]

man, 16 GB for hard drive.. And I thought Crysis Warhead was something lol

10 gigs is anti-piracy protection. :o

[Caddys83]

10 gigs is anti-piracy protection. :o

ha ha

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Thought this was kinda funny.

If they truly think the 'console way' is better, then allow players on all platforms to connect to the same games (so and Xbox can play against a PS3 and PC in the same game). Of course, there's only 2 ways that would happen. Either the console players would complain and quit playing when the much more powerful PCs ran circles around their overpriced Pong machines; or they'd have to cap PCs performance to the lower console level (in which case no one on PC would play the game).

[DougBob]

I hope some of you guys would be able to attend this chat cause I will not be able to on November 3rd, the chat will take place from 6:00pm ? 8:00pm Central time (7:00pm ? 9:00pm Eastern) The guest are: Vince Zampella and Robert Bowling :ty2:

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Live Chat Session - Best Buy Forum (http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Live-Chat-Session/td-p/58865)

Man, this definitely shows IW is willing to pay anyone off to keep their sales up. I believe they have shown they are scared :)

[DougBob]

I had to post this for you guys in honor of how scared IW is over their fowl up. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtmctsBi1v0

[Pumpkin_Jack]

Alright guys with dedicated servers out and from what im reading... Is this going to be run sort-of like xbox live, where there are 50million servers out there, each someones xbox(pc in this case) or something.

also why wont they make it so you can connect xbox live to your pc(play live thru ur pc)

[DougBob]

also why wont they make it so you can connect xbox live to your pc(play live thru ur pc)

In all seriousness..., they don't want the console players to see how they would really be owned in a FPS by PC players in the same game. The only way to not demoralize the console gamer community is to keep them separated.

[Guile]

But it's been done

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/Shadowrun_box_art_2.jpg/256px-Shadowrun_box_art_2.jpg

Twice

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Lost-Planet-New.jpg

It actualy was done three times if you also count Final Fantasy XI. I really don't know why they stoped doing it. It made sense before since console games couldn't be updated like PC games, but today console games get patches as fast as PC. Having cross-platform support for all those Games for Windows Live games would actualy make them worth buying.

[K PhaNTOM]

But it's been done


You mean when I played Shadow Run, I was playing against Console players? Or are you replying to something else?

[Guile]

Yes you were playing ShadowRun with console players, specially since ShadowRun was Vista only for no reason at all, which pretty much meant nobody on the PC really cared about it.

[DougBob]

Rofl

[Furryappleseed]

You had to have windows live gold account to do cross-platform.

Also, have you seen the aiming reticule that Shadowrun uses....looks like a quarter on your monitor. Spam fest to minimize the mouse accuracy advantage.

[Caddys83]

But it's been done

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/Shadowrun_box_art_2.jpg/256px-Shadowrun_box_art_2.jpg

Twice

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Lost-Planet-New.jpg

It actualy was done three times if you also count Final Fantasy XI. I really don't know why they stoped doing it. It made sense before since console games couldn't be updated like PC games, but today console games get patches as fast as PC. Having cross-platform support for all those Games for Windows Live games would actualy make them worth buying.





It also was done with Quake III Arena on the Sega Dreamcast. Dreamcast players were able to play with PC players

PC Quake players gain access to Dreamcast maps - Dreamcast News at GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/dreamcast/action/quake3arena/news.html?sid=2778824&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;3)

Sega of America has announced that it will release the new maps from the Dreamcast version of Quake III: Arena to PC players. The so-called Dreamcast Map Pack includes a collection of 23 maps from the Dreamcast version of the game, and it can be downloaded from Sega of America's official Web site. The pack also includes slightly altered versions of existing maps.

Additionally, the Dreamcast Map Pack will allow PC players to play in the new maps against Dreamcast players. The only criteria are that PC players must have a 1.16n or lower version of Quake III: Arena available and use the GameSpy 3D or PingTool utilities to browse the Sega Dreamcast servers.



Quake III Arena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_III_Arena)

Dreamcast
Quake III Arena was released for the Sega Dreamcast (ported by Raster Productions and released by Sega) in 2000 and featured 4 player online play versus Dreamcast and PC gamers. It is often considered one of the best PC to console ports of its time due to its smooth frame rate and online play.[17] There are still communities that play this version online on the remaining dedicated servers running patch version 1.16n and the required map pack.

[Guile]

Oh yeah I had forgotten Microsoft was actualy stupid enough to charge PC gamers to get all the online options. I didn't play Shadowrun much anyway it was boring as hell, but I do remember the crosshair being a quarter the size of the screen.

Still my point is that if they are going to add Live to a PC game and not include cross-platfrom play then it was completely pointless. Why do I want to see my console friends online if I can't play with them?

Not even going to mention the fact that you have to login everytime you start the game. Even worse if you bought a game like GTA IV on steam, you have to login to steam, then login to the rockstart network then after the game is running login to games for windows live. That's just ridiculous.

[juneau]

Shadowrun was cross platform but the PC side was dumbed down to give the console players a chance. :twisted:

[KurlonT]

>It also was done with Quake III Arena on the Sega Dreamcast. Dreamcast players were able to play with PC players

I ran a server for the Dreamcast version back in the day so here's my thoughts on the cross-platform play:

*In-game conditions were pretty even (i.e same game speed, same map pack) especially if you used the KB+M and Broadband Adapter for the Dreamcast. As far as I can recall (now almost 10 years ago...:shock:) the map pack graphics never seemed "dumbed" down on the PC.

*The Dreamcast did max out at 640x480 so obviously gaming PC's at the time could run higher resolutions and maintain higher fps. This was probably the biggest advantage of the PC version over the Dreamcast version in terms of gameplay and IMO still is when comparing current gaming platforms.

*From playing against both platforms the PC player was on top most of the time even if it was 3 DC to 1 PC. I would chalk this up to better hardware (higher resolution made a big difference) and more experience with the game (Dreamcast version came out almost a year later). I can say as Dreamcast player you were thrilled to even play Q3 and because it was such a quality port (even had some mods) it remained a great option for the frugal gamer considering gaming PC's at the time were 3x-4x the cost of the DC.

I always find it entertaining reading gaming PC vs. Console threads especially when there's no mention of the wallet when comparing the two platforms...:wink:

[bobytt]

PC menu leaked screenshot


http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3273/wd4.jpg

[Skud]

Lol Boby!

[bobytt]

I didnt make it , but i love it...

[Skud]

I didnt make it , but i love it...

It's perfect.

I'll be damned if I'll count on some stranger to host and continue hosting a game while I'm trying to relax with a beer or nine. What's worse than waiting for everyone to ready up, start the game, pour a drink, and then have the host close the session for whatever reason? Great fun, lol. What a joke. Or maybe I'll kill him once too many times and he'll give me the boot, etc., etc.

[mapes]

Might want to doctor it somewhat as it violates the forum rules on cursing

[DougBob]

Might want to doctor it somewhat as it violates the forum rules on cursing

Agreed, can you update it boby?

[Dragon]

I signed the petition to stop this insanity! I was soooooo looking forward to buying this game, it was the only game I was planning on buying...Well until Guildwars 2 comes out XD

[juneau]

I just heard that MW2 will be 16players max. That's right, 8v8. :twisted:

[Skud]

I just heard that MW2 will be 16players max. That's right, 8v8. :twisted:

Lol...just like a console! That should make sniping a blast :roll:...and for rushers (aka trackstars, as some of you say), you'll get to run all day and seldom rush into a crowd: my favorite tactic :D

Oh, yeah, one more thing: all the new airstrikes, choppers and whatever will be that much less enjoyable when there are only 8 stinking targets.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I just heard that MW2 will be 16players max. That's right, 8v8. :twisted:

This will take camping to a new level. Not enough confusion going on to allow for anyone to rush the other team much. They'll not have anything distracting them for you to make it 50ft.

And the fail just keeps rollin. I cannot with a good conscious think that grown arse men and women sat around a table and discussed this with any semblance of common sense being applied. It takes insanity to new heights.

These people have lost all self respect. Knowing fully well that they have sold their soul to the devil for the only thing possible. MONEY.

The devil always comes callin to take his due on a deal like this. May not be today, may not be tomorrow, but he will come. And the outcome is always the same. :|

[Skud]

This will take camping to a new level. Not enough confusion going on to allow for anyone to rush the other team much. They'll not have anything distracting them for you to make it 50ft.
:|

Exactamundo.

[juneau]

This will take camping to a new level. Not enough confusion going on to allow for anyone to rush the other team much. They'll not have anything distracting them for you to make it 50ft.

And the fail just keeps rollin. I cannot with a good conscious think that grown arse men and women sat around a table and discussed this with any semblance of common sense being applied. It takes insanity to new heights.

These people have lost all self respect. Knowing fully well that they have sold their soul to the devil for the only thing possible. MONEY.

The devil always comes callin to take his due on a deal like this. May not be today, may not be tomorrow, but he will come. And the outcome is always the same. :|

You said arse! :shock:

[Skud]

You said arse! :shock:

Lol. Juneau, let me do this one.

Cobalt: YOU'RE FIRED! :D

[{CLR} Cobalt]

:butbut: :sad:

[Skud]

:butbut: :sad:

Lol. Kidding! I've got no authority (you know that!) and I've used arse in a post before as well. DOH! I just did it again!!! :o

[K PhaNTOM]

Skud, it's ok to use Arse when you are one. :D

[Skud]

Skud, it's ok to use Arse when you are one. :D

Awwww, thanks Phan!! That's sweet! :luvu:

[juneau]

It's not the fact you said arse on the forums it's just... well you said arse! IE the British version of ass. :D

[Apache Warrior]

Just like the British say: "knock me up in the morning". :D
Apache

[juneau]

Just like the British say: "knock me up in the morning". :D
Apache

We do? :scratch::D

[Apache Warrior]

We had a female British University Professor use that phrase at a party in her honor. I forget what we were going to do the next morning but she wanted to be included. :D
Apache

[Rand{CLR}]

Here's a thought: someone posted in one of these other threads about the CEO wanting to raise prices. Well, the purpose of a CEO is to make the stockholders happy.

Here's what should be done: instead of (or in addition to) writing Activision, find their stockholders and the Board that oversees the company. Write to THEM. Tell the board members just how much additional money they could have had that is now bye bye.

That would be more effective than bombarding the poor mail room guy who is probably ordered just to burn every letter coming in for the next month anyway. :twisted:

-Rand

[Aidan]

No thanks! I will not buy this game.

To me this is just another example of the restriction of freedom of choice.

:thumbd:

[Furryappleseed]

Sad that it all had to go down like this *sigh* but its over now.

Umm go Treyarch?:scratch: Well, thats still Activision so I guess they fail already...:|

[K PhaNTOM]

Check out how 402 is trying to serve for PC users. It's quite funny actually. Who believes him anymore? Well, I know Moe does.

Yfrog - sgml - Uploaded by fourzerotwo (http://img34.yfrog.com/i/sgml.jpg/)

[DougBob]

Check out how 402 is trying to serve for PC users. It's quite funny actually. Who believes him anymore? Well, I know Moe does.

Yfrog - sgml - Uploaded by fourzerotwo (http://img34.yfrog.com/i/sgml.jpg/)

:scratch: I guess I'm with Moe because I don't get it :scratch:

[moe]

TO KYP...........STICK YOUR HEAD IN YOUR ASS AND KISS YOUR BALLS GOODBYE.........:pissed::pissed::ty2:MOE.

[moe]

AND THAT IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE:ty2:MOE.