Take the Limbaugh challange.

[Duke{CLR}]

I just ran across this article. :2thumbs:

Take the Limbaugh Challenge - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-klavan29-2009mar29,0,5456892.story)

[mapes]

Do I really need to listen to him. Look I agree the Daily show cherry picks the worst clips of people. However after just watching three examples that they throw in of him (arguably him at his worst) I feel pretty much I can write him off.

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[Skud]

The writer of this article, possibly following Rush's footsteps, is offensive enough for me to do anything but what he says. Sure, he's trying to "dare" me to listen to Rush (in a playground sort of atmosphere). But saying that Rush is not offensive, is thoughtful, funny, etc. while at the same time saying that anyone who does not listen to him is a scrawny chested, yellow bellied, mind controlled putz...well, I'd like the guy to say it to my face (no I wouldn't hit him, as that's for savages, but I don't think he'd do it)...anyway, as I've said before, offending someone into submission seldom works, seldom gets others to even begin to attempt to take one's viewpoints or advice seriously (I apologize for the oxycontin reference...but it was more in vein with the message of this article).

I have listened to Rush, sometimes for close to an hour while shopping for firearms, lol (the guy at the shop always has it on). I wasn't impressed. I will possibly try again sometime, and try to keep an open mind, as I always do, for your sake Duke, but certainly not for the sake of the zealot who wrote the article. In the end, I really do little more than skim through the talk shows to find bits of information (all tainted by their respective hosts) that I can piece together in a way that I think is the closest to the truth. Listening to any of them becomes redundant, as their opinions are fixed, do not evolve...from what I have seen/heard...like buying a CD from one's favorite band, and listening to it to sing along with the choruses (no, I don't do that).

[Duke{CLR}]

That's right where they want you guys, not listening. The clip from the Daily show is a perfect example of how small portions of his show are taken out of context and used to smear the man not the message.

[Skud]

That's right where they want you guys, not listening. The clip from the Daily show is a perfect example of how small portions of his show are taken out of context and used to smear the man not the message.

Maybe I read the article wrong, but I thought the guy wanted me to listen to Limbaugh...but he tries to get me to do it by calling me a pansy and an idiot and whatever else. Not the most effective strategy for enlightening folks, is all I was saying...can't expect to gain many converts by insulting them...folks often give the same amount of respect that they receive.

[Duke{CLR}]

Look I could see where you may be offended but isn't that the idea of a challenge? Kind of like the old duels where some guy would slap the other one and then it would be pistols at dawn. Also it was in the LA Times so it is meant to get the attention of liberal readers.

There are a couple of points that grabbed my. ( It wasn't just to get your blood pressure up ;-) )I have said before that I have met people who have a deep burning hatred for Rush. The first part of the story describes exactly what their replies were like. Also the part about there being more false statements in an Obama speech was pretty good too.

[Skud]

I will listen sometime out of respect for you. I know pretty much where you are coming from...and do my best to listen to the points of view of rational, respectful folks. Sometimes, too, I am aware that it takes pushing/exploring the extremities to find the spot nearest the truth, wherever that may be...and that even "truths" are relative, and fleeting...as we hopefully continue to learn....

Heh, I swear I didn't get that from David Carradine in the series, "Kung Fu" (yes, grasshopper...). :D

[Trooper110]

Guys I used to ride with on my last job listened to Glenn Beck and Rush for the most part. Glenn Beck I never really minded, he could be annoyingly right wing at times but he could also go a little left on some points and ideas.

My personal opinion after listening to hours upon hours of Rush is that he's a flaming lunatic.

He may have an interesting or good idea once in a while, but for the most part he likes to cast blame on the left and point out how great the right is. I know he's a right wing radio commentator, but he goes beyond right wing in to extremist right wing nutjob (which yes, is different than just extremist right wing)

Thankfully everyone is permitted their own opinion which is why people still listen to Rush when I would rather have bleach poured in my ear. As Skud pointed out though, insulting me in to listening isn't going to help the cause, I have listened, for more hours than I'd like, and I still think he's a flaming lunatic.

[Duke{CLR}]

LOl I don't want you to feel like you need to do this for my sake but if you do, try and remember what he was talking about and then we can have a discussion about that topic. I sure don't ant to be the guy who causes you to have a heart attack.

One other thing about the John Stewart piece. The part about Feminism was from his rush's 35 undeniable truths. This one is #24 http://www.rtis.com/nat/pol/rush/truths.htm I once said that to my neighbor and his reply was "That's not true, I know a really hot CEO." which kind of proves the point of this particular one. Also, for the record, I am married to a business women so I'm all in support or women doing what ever they want and should get paid equally.

[Duke{CLR}]

Guys I used to ride with on my last job listened to Glenn Beck and Rush for the most part. Glenn Beck I never really minded, he could be annoyingly right wing at times but he could also go a little left on some points and ideas.

My personal opinion after listening to hours upon hours of Rush is that he's a flaming lunatic.

He may have an interesting or good idea once in a while, but for the most part he likes to cast blame on the left and point out how great the right is. I know he's a right wing radio commentator, but he goes beyond right wing in to extremist right wing nutjob (which yes, is different than just extremist right wing)

Thankfully everyone is permitted their own opinion which is why people still listen to Rush when I would rather have bleach poured in my ear. As Skud pointed out though, insulting me in to listening isn't going to help the cause, I have listened, for more hours than I'd like, and I still think he's a flaming lunatic.

Lunatic and nut job. Again attacking the messenger not the message. I would love to hear the exact thing that makes you think he is a lunatic.

[Trooper110]

Honestly Duke, it's been over 2 years since I was at that job so I can't give you more than my impression of him.

The only exact thing I recall is him going off on a rant claiming the liberals had blocked a call he was receiving because they didn't want his message going out to this guy.

I only remember that because it was completely "padded room" insane, and he honestly could have been joking although his tone at the time didn't sound like it.

And yes...lunatic and nut job based off of what is coming out of his mouth. I'd have to take up listening to him again to give you specifics as I noted above, which I'm not going to do given my feelings on him already, but I probably spent an hour a day for 5 months listening to him, so I've had plenty of time to base my opinion on.

And it is my opinion. You believe as you believe, and so does my neighbor. I'm done in this thread, my original post was to point out that even those of us who have listened to him think he's a nut, but I've based that off personal experience, not what was spoon fed me by the media.

[Skud]

Lunatic and nut job. Again attacking the messenger not the message. I would love to hear the exact thing that makes you think he is a lunatic.

two things from his list of 35 that I find laughable/sad. A google search on species extinction rates can explain. I won't post anything on it: I know opinions are probably made up already--ecologists vs. economists. The economists might suggest that the major extinctions are cyclical, to support sustained financial growth, but will not say much about ecological balance being thrown off when one species becomes too successful (ie., us).

from Rush's list:

"The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.

The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down."

[linemanstud]

Personally I think that entire article is hilarious. Every once in a while I will listen to Rush Limbaugh, and I will admit, he is friggin nuts and more conservative than anyone I have ever met (which says a lot considering the company i keep). That being said, when he attacks liberals he isnt just doing it for fun or because thats the only argument he has. He attacks them because that is exactly what the liberals are doing to him and other conservatives like him. Its all one big game called politics.

[Hammy]

from Rush's list:

"The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.

The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down."

Its things like that which make me reconsider my disrespect for Rush- LMAO.

Pure honesty and absolutely true.

Thanks for sharing something with me that I can actually identify with. In fact, I dont think that is a bad thing at all. The only thing I see wrong with #35 is that people are willing to suggest that this opinion is sacriligious or something, as if he has no right to believe that.

I see liberal ecological views as the most aggressive platform in the world today. Borderline Terrorists- and they are, in my opinion, in a tie for first place with these anti-abortion terrorists that infringe on my view of decency with the dead baby pictures, bombing clinics, and etc.

To support this, I will say that I a pro-life and would probably stop speaking to anyone in my family who decided to get an abortion. However, I do believe that the choice to go to Hell is yours, not mine, and you should be able to screw up your own life in a professional and complete manner if you like. :D

On this particular topic, conservative view points and how they are not popular so it's fun- easy- and acceptable to be aggressively disapproving, I think that Rush doesnt speak for me. In fact, I refuse to support him.

In general, you can see his view point across many forums, and the fact that it is so inflammatory to pop-culture says to me that his views are probably in line with common decency, privacy, personal rights and etc. In fact, I see most people disagree with ideas that produce limitations yet they would like to impose similar valued limits on things like Factories and etc.

**Shrug**

Double standard forked tongue double talk.
John Stewart is a well spoken idiot.
Same with many of these people in the media, including Bill O'REilley.

I reserve the right to have my own opinion, not listen to Obama, McCain, O'Reilly, Beck, Savage, or etc. Thats the thing about a real conservative, not many of these other people who put themselves out there; a true Conservative of the Republican Party doesnt need the media or some lobbyist to deliver them to an acceptable position.

Many of you think you know my opinions and views, but the reality is that we are at surface level of my political views, and the reality is something that I reserve for privacy and debate amongst people who have the ability to carry on discussions that lack name calling insults or arbitrary half bytes from unstructured, unreferencable media outlets that write components on heresay and loose standards.

This is all junk to me, and I did agree with Bill OReilly today when in an interview he said Sean Penn is a junk dealer (my words).

PS- Great Find Duke :D

[Nomadicus]

I listened to Rush off and on (i.e., once or twice a week for an hour here and there) for a couple of years and finally understood his satire vs. love of football vs. serious discussions.

Most of all he laughs a lot, is *never* disrespectful with a caller (although he rightfully gets pissed if they out and out lie to his call screener), and mostly reads from current newspaper offerings and makes his opinion known.

That said, I believe Rush is cool and gives me pause to think about things intelligently. He has a high bar for respect and professionalism. Continuing to listen to him for almost 15 years confirms this.

Similar to Hammy, I too only really debate and discuss when 1 on 1 or in a small group. I need to see your facial expressions and hear your feedback in order to respond correctly. Discussing politics can be so sensitive that I believe it demands my full attention and my 100% understanding what the other person is saying. Clarification is vital and a web site does not get it.

[Skud]

Its things like that which make me reconsider my disrespect for Rush- LMAO.

Pure honesty and absolutely true.


Hammy, I can't say that I know your beliefs deep down, but I can say that your reaction was predictable. I would argue about the truth of Limbaugh's science. As I said, economists vs. ecologists (not terrorists...in fact, I'd say the former have caused much more damage...). I'll side with those who study for better understanding, not for profit (the economists who say none of the earth's problems are man made are the same folks who last year said that we are not in a recession, supporting their own interests, I'm sure). And as for Rush's honesty: I've seen the results obtained from leaders who based their decisions solely on gut instincts and desires...sometimes good, but more often than not disastrous.

Here's one link among thousands that scratches the surfaces of the fragility of the eco-system. Pollinators, disease resistance, O2 production, etc...all related...dependent on one another. Or maybe Rush is right...and we can just laugh and eat our way to Eutopia. :roll:

http://www.whole-systems.org/extinctions.html

[warlock2411]

YouTube - Rush on Hannity: Do You Want Obama to Succeed? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETnzur7oVA)

there is the video for all of you nutjobs who listen to MSNBC and CNN. You can see from here that he doesn't want obama to fail, and he doesn't want the country to fail. He wants his leftist, horrible, liberal agenda to fail..

Oh yea, btw, James Carville... ON the morning of 9/11!! said that he wanted Bush to fail. He actually said he wanted bush to fail, not his agendas, not his rightist agenda. He said he did not want Bush to succeed.. Oh yea, this was the same guy that started bashing Limbaugh for wanting Obama to fail.. Why wasn't this reported and blown out of proportion. and then he thinks that after the Towers were hit that he can just take that back?

YouTube - CNNs Carville's Bush Bash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw7j-jExI8U)

I love Limbaugh, he is passionate about his beliefs, and is not afraid to stand up for them and be pushed around like a lot of these Republicans seem to fail at lately.


BTW i just wanted to share this. This kid is the future of the Republican party.

YouTube - Jonathan Krohn - CPAC - The Future Of Conservatism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUbkdwpZ2o)

[Nomadicus]

> "BTW i just wanted to share this. This kid is the future of the Republican party."
Wow! Great kid.
Back in 2003 I saw where the party was going. In 2004 I was so put off by fiscal action, I became an independent (small "i"). I don't see the party as a whole going conservative as he defines it, but I love his definition and think of myself along those lines.
Thanks for the link. :2thumbs:

[warlock2411]

> "BTW i just wanted to share this. This kid is the future of the Republican party."
Wow! Great kid.
Back in 2003 I saw where the party was going. In 2004 I was so put off by fiscal action, I became an independent (small "i"). I don't see the party as a whole going conservative as he defines it, but I love his definition and think of myself along those lines.
Thanks for the link. :2thumbs:

Yes but you know what the sad thing is. A 13 year old has been able to describe what a conservative is better than actual politicians that represent us. Its very sad when a 13 year old can show an actual politician up. I want to read his book.

[Duke{CLR}]

Today Rush had a student call him about how there is a chapter in a book that was about Rush. During the exchange with this guy Rush explained one of his controversial bits "The phone call abortion" I thought it was a good exchange and he even put the transcript ion his website. The audio would normally be for subscribers only but its free so you can hear it. If anybody were to take the challenge this would be a good way to start.

Journalism Student Actually Calls Rush to Learn the Truth About Him (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040109/content/01125113.guest.html)

[Hammy]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETnzur7oVA"]

there is the video for all of you nutjobs who listen to MSNBC and CNN.


I dont know what your point is because when I saw you name call I didnt even bother to spend time on your point of view. :|

[mapes]

I dont know what your point is because when I saw you name call I didnt even bother to spend time on your point of view. :|
Hammy I like pie :D

[Hammy]

Troll pie! mmmm gooot! :luvu:

[mapes]

lol

[warlock2411]

I dont know what your point is because when I saw you name call I didnt even bother to spend time on your point of view. :|
Just saying what a lot of people are thinking. But apparently i cant do that because i am conservative and its ethically bad to shoot back at liberals after being crap talked for the past 8 years. Yea, thats a fair assessment i believe.

[Duke{CLR}]

Just saying what a lot of people are thinking. But apparently i cant do that because i am conservative and its ethically bad to shoot back at liberals after being crap talked for the past 8 years. Yea, thats a fair assessment i believe.

Keep posting Warlock. I would only say that we don't want to stoop to the level of the "Move on .orgers" with the name calling.

[mapes]

Just saying what a lot of people are thinking. But apparently i cant do that because i am conservative and its ethically bad to shoot back at liberals after being crap talked for the past 8 years. Yea, thats a fair assessment i believe.


Whoa.... dude Hammy is a conservative too. He just took umbrage at you calling people nutjobs

[Road_Ratt]

From article:

Right wingnut attacks left wingnuts film at 11. :D

[Skud]

From article:

Right wingnut attacks left wingnuts film at 11. :D

:pop:

[Hammy]

From article:

Right wingnut attacks left wingnuts film at 11. :D

I would consider your commentary news if it werent the standard operating mode for you to long in and read until you can create an insulting post.
As predictable as my views may be, yours are equally standard in that the only time anyone hears from you is when you want to create a flame.

Thanks for stopping by, cya next argument

Just saying what a lot of people are thinking. But apparently i cant do that because i am conservative and its ethically bad to shoot back at liberals after being crap talked for the past 8 years. Yea, thats a fair assessment i believe.

I think you might have value Warlock, I just dont pay attention when people start name-calling. I mean no one is perfect, I'm not criticizing your opinion- I honestly have no idea if you are like me - a conservative, or a Conservaliberal (liberal aned sheeps clothing).

The point here is that we, as Conservatives, need to take the right approach to problem solving, and avoid being lumped in with the emotional reactionaries tht drown us out with name calling, volume, and repetitive voiceovers.

Thats all.