Heroes

[KurlonT]

Anyone into this series?

I actually like the story lines so far and the "superpowers" seem pretty down-played which is a nice change. Another interesting thing is watching Isaac's comic book illustrations unfold into Hiro's real-life events.

Besides that I get to watch it in HD which is always a plus... :D

[dirtyoldgoat]

I'm watching it and enjoying it, but it seems that the show is frustratingly short, even though it's an hour long. I watched last night's episode and at the end was kinda pissed that it had ended already just cuz it felt like nothing had really happened.

[Quamin]

I'm watching it and enjoying it, but it seems that the show is frustratingly short, even though it's an hour long. I watched last night's episode and at the end was kinda pissed that it had ended already just cuz it felt like nothing had really happened.

Don't watch the commercials! Download the show without em and watch in 2's. There ya go. Problem solved :)

[Rand{CLR}]

Anyone into this series?

I actually like the story lines so far and the "superpowers" seem pretty down-played which is a nice change. Another interesting thing is watching Isaac's comic book illustrations unfold into Hiro's real-life events.

Besides that I get to watch it in HD which is always a plus... :D

Dude, you and I have like the exact same taste in tv shows. I really enjoy Heroes, and Hiro is pretty damn cool. This show may just be the best new show of the year.

The HD though, I have to wait for that until next year at the earliest. Lucky SOB. :P

-Rand

[cseajs]

Great show, Hiro rocks. Looks great it HD.

[LIMEY]

My favorite new show of the year by far!

[MajorDeath]

I'm Like it a lot as well, I also have been watching Jehrico which is also very good IMO. I watch them both in HD and its oh so pretty! :D

[KurlonT]

Dang how about the future Hiro looking like one tough dude!
I have a feeling this Siler character can pretty much do anything the other Heros can to some extent which should lead to an interesting story line.

[Rand{CLR}]

Dang how about the future Hiro looking like one tough dude!

Yeah, really. And I really want to know what's up with the sword and body armor. WTH happens in the next 10 or so years?

They've got the quote of the year so far, with "Save the Cheerleader, save the world." Though why you need to save someone that's indestructable, I don't quite get yet.

-Rand

[33milk33]

i watched it too haha, still don't get it, cuz the first time i watch it they cut it in half, i only watch till the 2 brother flying.

anyone know what time they showing it on tv?

[Nitefyr]

I watched it, a new one comes on tonight that I'm gonna watch, looks pretty cool!

[PandaGod]

Really cool show, the one tonight was awesome, he was all like WHOOSH!!

[dirtyoldgoat]

he was all like WHOOSH!!

For some reason that vague description is the best way to put it! LOL!

It was completely badass the way he took off and was flying, not like some sissy Superman flying...

[Rand{CLR}]

he was all like WHOOSH!!

For some reason that vague description is the best way to put it! LOL!

It was completely badass the way he took off and was flying, not like some sissy Superman flying...

Yeah, no kidding. We had seen the actual take off in the preview last week, but I was totally not expecting the instant transition to supersonic speed. Now THAT was badass. Excellent show last night, probably the best even. This is without a doubt the best new show of the year, and aside from maybe Prison Break, of the last two years.

-Rand

[Nitefyr]

WHOOSH lol! That was pretty awsome, can't wait to find out how they save the invincible cheerleader!

[KurlonT]

anyone know what time they showing it on tv?

NBC (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/): Monday @ 9pm EST
Sci-Fi (http://www.scifi.com/heroes/): Friday @ 7pm EST

[Bliss]

That was a pretty interesting episode, just like last week's.

[juneau]

Just read the synopsis of this show and it seems very similar to The 4400. Is it or did i read a badly written synopsis? :D

[MajorDeath]

Awesome show!!! I'm just trying to figure out what the bad guys super power is, and what he is planning on doing. I'm hooked!!

[KurlonT]

I'm just trying to figure out what the bad guys super power is

So far there's Claire's father (no power shown yet) and his side kick who can erase memories.

Then we all know about "Syler" the homicidal maniac who appears to have regeneration (Claire), super strength (Niki) and some flight (Nathan and Peter).

Heroes Spoiler Forum (http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showforum=9)

[Rand{CLR}]

Damn this show is cool. There were some very good touches in last night's episode. Hiro (of course), Micah, the preview for next week even. And you've got to feel for the mind-reader guy. His life sucks. He needs to hook up with that blond FBI lady.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

This show is addicting, I do not miss it EVER!

[CrazyFinn]

"SAVE THE CHEERLEADER, SAVE THE WORLD!"

should say enough;)

[Annihil8tor]

What show did the FBI lady play in/on before?
And yes, Heroes kiscks major ass.

[Rand{CLR}]

What show did the FBI lady play in/on before?
And yes, Heroes kiscks major ass.

Her name is Clea DuVal: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0245112/

Internet Movie Database is your friend. :twisted: She sort of looks like the hottie from Ed, but it isn't her. This show is chock full of babes. Eden is pretty babalicious too. (Mohinder's neighbor).

-Rand

[LIMEY]

What show did the FBI lady play in/on before?
And yes, Heroes kiscks major ass.

Her name is Clea DuVal: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0245112/

Internet Movie Database is your friend. :twisted: She sort of looks like the hottie from Ed, but it isn't her. This show is chock full of babes. Eden is pretty babalicious too. (Mohinder's neighbor).

-Rand

The hottie from Ed is now in Boston Legal! rrrrrraaaaawwwwrrrrrlllll

[KurlonT]

Great episode last night w/ lots of background info to set up the big finale next week. Still vague on Syler's original ability but it seems he can assimilate another power by figuring how the brain uses it.

I'm glad they didn't go overboard on Hiro's time travel ability (could make things silly for the plot) and actually limit what he could change.

[Rand{CLR}]

Seems that Hiro can change more than he thinks at this point, as future Hiro sent Peter to save the cheerleader. Mission accomplished, for now. Charlie chose her end, she knew she was dying anyway but didn't know how or when. Sort of want to watch the first episode she was in again, knowing she knew who Hiro was at that time.

Apparently though, Hiro cannot go back to the same place twice when he's time shifting. That's a good limit for him.

On Sylar, his original ability now makes me question why he killed the other cheerleader. He should have been able to detect which one of the two were "broken." Good job setting him up though. He's one sick SOB. And he's going to want a piece of Peter when he gets free, not only for being stopped but because Peter has an ability similar to his own.

-Rand

[Quamin]

Actually I was thinking about this and I don't think he can sense the other people with abilities. He learns about them on the news, observes them, and/or maybe through that doctor's map (which may be incomplete). He must have seen on television about the other cheerleader (and how she claimed she went and saved a guy in the train wreck fire) and targeted her. Then he noticed her healing after he threw her across the room.

I also think the reason why they were told "save the cheerleader, save the world" was because if he got the cheerleader's healing powers he'd almost be invincible. Don't get me wrong, he's strong but not invincible yet. So far I still like this show! :2thumbs:

[Rand{CLR}]

Actually I was thinking about this and I don't think he can sense the other people with abilities. He learns about them on the news, observes them, and/or maybe through that doctor's map (which may be incomplete). He must have seen on television about the other cheerleader (and how she claimed she went and saved a guy in the train wreck fire) and targeted her. Then he noticed her healing after he threw her across the room.

I also think the reason why they were told "save the cheerleader, save the world" was because if he got the cheerleader's healing powers he'd almost be invincible. Don't get me wrong, he's strong but not invincible yet. So far I still like this show! :2thumbs:

Oh, I'm sure he's got the prof's full map, and apparently Eden was successful in getting Claire off the map. But when he invited the first guy, he said something like "you're broken," and that makes me think the same kind of things as Kurlon, that his ability works on the human brain as well as machinery. At the distance of the cheerleaders, he should have picked up which mind was broken.

Also, he saw the map before Eden arrived in New York. He probably saw Claire's picture.

And we've still got a bomb coming up. Maybe Claire or Peter need to use Claire's ability to stop it somehow? As strong as Sylar gets, the rest working together could still stop him, so I'm not sure he's the catalyst for the end of the world. And we found out already that so long as whatever "kills" Claire is left in her, she stays dead. That would apply to Sylar too if he got the power. Just leave Hiro's sword in his heart and put him somewhere nobody would ever find him. :twisted:

-Rand

[MajorDeath]

I'm asssuming Sylar killed Soresh's father and stole all the pictures and locations of the people being killed. Thats how he is finding them. As for Clairs father, I'd like to think he is good but they are doing a good job of still keeping his role in the whole thing a guessing game. He seems to want to do good, but his methods are questionable.

Still waiting to see how Nichole, her son, and his dad fit into the overall story. So far they have not been linked to the others.

MD

[LIMEY]

I'm asssuming Sylar killed Soresh's father and stole all the pictures and locations of the people being killed. Thats how he is finding them. As for Clairs father, I'd like to think he is good but they are doing a good job of still keeping his role in the whole thing a guessing game. He seems to want to do good, but his methods are questionable.

Still waiting to see how Nichole, her son, and his dad fit into the overall story. So far they have not been linked to the others.

MD

They are linked with Hero through his friend, well Nicole is and then there was the car incident with her husband and Hero..........

[KurlonT]

And we've still got a bomb coming up.

IMO this is tied in w/ the radioactive man somehow. I could easily see his powers going into overload to create a mega blast. Heck I could even see Syler using this to destroy the other heroes as well. BTW Syler does have some regeneration since the psychic cop shot him 3-4 times when saving that girl.

[dirtyoldgoat]

IMO this is tied in w/ the radioactive man somehow. I could easily see his powers going into overload to create a mega blast. Heck I could even see Syler using this to destroy the other heroes as well. BTW Syler does have some regeneration since the psychic cop shot him 3-4 times when saving that girl.

I had always thought that and to take it a step further, I thought that the reason they were saving the cheerleader was that she is probably the only person who could be near or talk to the radiation dude without getting hurt permanently. Either she takes a bullet for him, or she is able to prevent him from detonating in some way...

[Quamin]

And we've still got a bomb coming up.

IMO this is tied in w/ the radioactive man somehow. I could easily see his powers going into overload to create a mega blast. Heck I could even see Syler using this to destroy the other heroes as well. BTW Syler does have some regeneration since the psychic cop shot him 3-4 times when saving that girl.

Maybe he just had a bullet proof vest on (since he knows people want to stop him)?

[MajorDeath]

Maybe Peter gets too close to him, and can't control his power....... BOOM!

But of course that won't happen, because the whole show is formed around stopping it from happening. :D

I think Sylar will live to see another day. For next season reasons.

In the peview they say a Hero will be lost. who do you think it will be?? I'm thinking Maybe Hiro's friend, or the cop or the artist.

MD

[Rand{CLR}]

Maybe Peter gets too close to him, and can't control his power....... BOOM!

But of course that won't happen, because the whole show is formed around stopping it from happening. :D

I think Sylar will live to see another day. For next season reasons.

In the peview they say a Hero will be lost. who do you think it will be?? I'm thinking Maybe Hiro's friend, or the cop or the artist.

MD

I was thinking about this some yesterday driving home from Baltimore (in the silence :wink: ), and remembered that last we saw him, the con was in the sights of a sniper scope and had yet to see Jessica. He's the easy answer I suppose.

It could be Issac too. Sylar is now pretty close to him presumably, and by saving the cheerleader the future has already been altered; he doesn't have to die on nuke day anymore.

-Rand

[obscurehero]

I just got into this series. SO GOOD!

Anyway, don't get me wrong...but something about that kid just rubs me the wrong way. Also, I hate how it paints that monster stripper lady in a good light. Its like we're supposed to feel sorry for her like the kid does... so frustrating.

I guess there's an unreleased screener for the pilot that they redid for the actual pilot that shows someone with similar "nuke" abilities going to the terrorists and saying they wont need a bomb... So it could be this guy. The guys name is like "the engineer" or something. Also whats up with that RNA symbol everywhere??

This series feels so much like X-men.

[Rand{CLR}]

What, no feedback from this excellent episode? "My name is Sylar!" Guess he figured out how that special place was 'broken' after all.

Are you on the list? Not quite the same ring as "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World," but better than some.

-Rand

[obscurehero]

if the part that was broken about the place was the window... he would've figured it out along time ago. No. I think its something to do with the haitian. He seems like hes got his own plan against the will of the dad. He may have withdrawn his supressing powers to allow sylar to escape... but why is beyond me. Its got to be the only way.

However, now that sylar has eden's abilities... He's even more powerful then before.

[dirtyoldgoat]

However, now that sylar has eden's abilities... He's even more powerful then before.

I don't think he was able to get Eden's powers seeing as she blew her own head off...

[obscurehero]

we still dont' know how he gets their powers. If there was at least part of the brain left... who knows.

[MajorDeath]

If I remember correctly Eden said the Haiten didn't talk. Well he did talk to the Cheerleader at the end, so I'll agree that he has his own agenda and had something to do with Sylars escape. Also may be responsable for the dream Peter had in the jail cell of his brother comming and talking to him.

The best sceene so far in the show is Sylar sucking Eden into the glass. Man did that take me by suprise! This episode did lead me to try and figure out what 'Powers" sylar has acquired besides being able to move things. It has been said that he's killed around 8 people. So I'm assuming that means he has 8 different powers. Anyone have any ideas on what the other powers might be??

MD

[MajorDeath]

On a side note I just thought about peter. We know he is the bomb now, but if he is saved and can acquire the abilities of others when he is in a certain distance from them. What if all tlhe Heros and him where together. That would make Peter one hell of a Hero simular to Sylar if not stronger being indistructable and all. I also wounder if he can acquire Sylars powers at all. :? :? :?

[obscurehero]

telekinesis, flying, regeneration, and amazing memory. More I"m sure.

[Rand{CLR}]

It looks like Peter is just losing control of his power, with some hints that he's bringing up bits of what he absorbed before. And he's obviously sick. We know or can guess that Peter is saved from exploding (future Hiro: "you look different without the scar."), which is not to say NYC still doesn't get blown up since he presumably siphoned the radioactive guy's power, and that one may still blow up. But likely Peter siphoned the power to prevent that, and somehow Claire is able to stop him.

The Haitian definitely has something going on, perhaps working directly with whoever gives Horn-Rimmed his orders. But I don't think he had anything to do directly with the room Sylar was in--he left the building a number of times, and I doubt he's powerful enough to affect anything from that distance, especially someone with enormous ability who would be actively fighting control. There was something else going on with the room.

Sylar doesn't have Eden's abilities. His shocked look when he realized she was going to shoot herself strongly suggests that he can't take power without an intact brain before he starts.

He's got a touch of super-speed, or at least super reflexes as when he pulled in Eden, and he's got some super strength. He busted up Claire pretty good when he tossed her aside at the school.

I'm sad Eden is gone. She was cute. Charlie was cute too, and Sylar got her also. I bet he gets the FBI agent also. Bad Sylar, bad!

-Rand

EDIT: new theory--Peter DID absorb Sylar's abilities, and that is the base cause of his increasing inability to control his own power. Peter uses powers without understanding them, while Sylar would not only understand, but would be able to control them either as part of his original power (fix the broken, balance by default), or experience. Peter taking on 6-10 abilities at once would certainly seem to be cause to mess his mind up. And it would be interesting to see if he can take on even a hint of personality in addition to power. We knew Sylar was a sociopath from the beginning, and if Peter gets even a touch of that, it could mess him up too.

[obscurehero]

how did he get that vision? I dont' remember. Peter is like Rogue from X-men. Except he doesn't need to touch them, proximity to someone with power gives him their ability TOO. He doesnt' take it as far as I can tell. His brother was still flying when he was.

[LIMEY]

The show is great I love seeing your theories Rand as they mirror my own very closely, I agree with you on Sylar and Eden, he was stunned when she blew her own brains out, meaning he does not have the ability of suggestive thought. :2thumbs:

[MajorDeath]

Charlie was cute too, and Sylar got her also.

Did he??? Or did she die from her cancer or whatever she had? They never made it very clear if Hiro ever saved her from Sylar. I think she went to Japan with him in the past to keep her away from Sylar. I was under the impression Hiro at least saved her from him, but she died of her sickness anyway.

Charlie is the girl Hiro went back in time to save right?? I'm bad with names.


I think it would be cool if near the end of the season Peter did learn to control his powers from the other Hero's. It makes sense since each hero on there own really can't do much to sylar, but combined powers within Peter would. I somehow think he is the key to defeating Sylar and think he's the only one that really can once he's learned control. It would make for an interesting second season or Finale.

[LIMEY]

Charlie was cute too, and Sylar got her also.

Did he??? Or did she die from her cancer or whatever she had? They never made it very clear if Hiro ever saved her from Sylar. I think she went to Japan with him in the past to keep her away from Sylar. I was under the impression Hiro at least saved her from him, but she died of her sickness anyway.

Charlie is the girl Hiro went back in time to save right?? I'm bad with names.


I think it would be cool if near the end of the season Peter did learn to control his powers from the other Hero's. It makes sense since each hero on there own really can't do much to sylar, but combined powers within Peter would. I somehow think he is the key to defeating Sylar and think he's the only one that really can once he's learned control. It would make for an interesting second season or Finale.

I think your spot on with Charlie :2thumbs:

[obscurehero]

Charlie was cute too, and Sylar got her also.

Did he??? Or did she die from her cancer or whatever she had? They never made it very clear if Hiro ever saved her from Sylar. I think she went to Japan with him in the past to keep her away from Sylar. I was under the impression Hiro at least saved her from him, but she died of her sickness anyway.

Charlie is the girl Hiro went back in time to save right?? I'm bad with names.


I think it would be cool if near the end of the season Peter did learn to control his powers from the other Hero's. It makes sense since each hero on there own really can't do much to sylar, but combined powers within Peter would. I somehow think he is the key to defeating Sylar and think he's the only one that really can once he's learned control. It would make for an interesting second season or Finale.

That makes sense with Charlie.

However. Peter can't use their abilitites if hes not around them. He has to have proximity to the people. So, unless they're all standing around him when hes fighting sylar. He can't use their powers.

[MajorDeath]

Wow lots of good discussions on the Link KurlonT posted earlier in this thread. There are some minor spoilers there though I must add. so if you want to know nothing of the series when it continues, don't go there! :wink:

Most interesting is the confirmation of the newest hero when the show continues. Which makes me think of my theory on Peter being even more plausible. :? Check it out! Some stuff there in pass episodes we may have missed too. Including the dead person Hiro saw in the future. I may not have been Isacc after all, but the radiation guy.

Dang this show is good! :D

[Rand{CLR}]

Charlie was cute too, and Sylar got her also.

Did he??? Or did she die from her cancer or whatever she had? They never made it very clear if Hiro ever saved her from Sylar. I think she went to Japan with him in the past to keep her away from Sylar. I was under the impression Hiro at least saved her from him, but she died of her sickness anyway.

No, Sylar definitely got Charlie. If you recall, when Hiro presented her with the tickets, she told him she was dying. Then that she loved him. He got ready to kiss her, and warped himself to the present day in Japan. The time Ando spent in the diner, and Hiro's return, they make clear that everyone is still grieving for Charlie, that her death was murder, and that her brains were exposed/head cut open. They also made a point of Hiro saying he failed, that he didn't save her.

Sylar got her. My take is that she believed Hiro, but she never knew the when and how of things. She just decided to live out her life as normal knowing she was dead either way. I can't recall if she knew she would meet Hiro in the future, but when he showed up she definitely would have known it was him.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

*Minor Spoiler*
I read in USA Today that the "are you on the list" plot will last about 7 episodes and a new plot will continue on for 3 more episodes until the season finale.

The Haitian definitely has something going on, perhaps working directly with whoever gives Horn-Rimmed his orders. But I don't think he had anything to do directly with the room Sylar was in--he left the building a number of times, and I doubt he's powerful enough to affect anything from that distance, especially someone with enormous ability who would be actively fighting control. There was something else going on with the room.

Yep I agree...my guess is they (Horn-Rimmed + associates) figured out a way to suppress abilities by artificial means (maybe tests on the Haitian revealed the means) and only when Eden disarmed the security to Syler's cell did the powers return.

[LIMEY]

WOW!

www.primatechpaper.com

Go to Jobs and use code MT36.......I wonder what this will lead to? :?

[Rand{CLR}]

Very good episode last night. Most of the Heroes we currently know about have met and are coming together for the big NYC gathering in 3 weeks Heroes-time. Except poor Matt Parkman, who is stuck out west trying to figure out what's going on. Maybe he'll figure out the Haitian is blocking him, which could be interesting. I'm beginning to think that Matt is how Sylar is going to get out though, and if Sylar picks up his power along the way...

Linderman is playing an increasing role in the background. I wonder if he may be the second super-villain? Maybe he's Claire's real daddy?

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Very good episode last night.
+1

Yep although I was under the impression that Syler escaped...guess not. Neat to see the guy who played Dr.Who (Season 1) make the hero list as Mr.Invisible and go bonkers when Peter could see him... :twisted:

Not sure what to make of the small scene w/ Mr.Radioactive as it seemed his powers were in flux somehow. Linderman will be an interesting side story since he seems to be involved with a bunch of heroes directly or indirectly.

[Rand{CLR}]

Very good episode last night.
+1

Yep although I was under the impression that Syler escaped...guess not. Neat to see the guy who played Dr.Who (Season 1) make the hero list as Mr.Invisible and go bonkers when Peter could see him... :twisted:

Not sure what to make of the small scene w/ Mr.Radioactive as it seemed his powers were in flux somehow. Linderman will be an interesting side story since he seems to be involved with a bunch of heroes directly or indirectly.

Start checking out the graphic novels NBC posts weekly on the heroes page. That provides backstory, and sometimes fills us in on new information. That's how they originally revealed that Sylar did not escape. :2thumbs:

-Rand

[Master_Chief_Alpha]

Is it me, or does Sylar look a lot like dane cook?

[CrplCupcakes]

Maybe Peter gets too close to him, and can't control his power....... BOOM!

But of course that won't happen, because the whole show is formed around stopping it from happening. :D

I think Sylar will live to see another day. For next season reasons.

In the peview they say a Hero will be lost. who do you think it will be?? I'm thinking Maybe Hiro's friend, or the cop or the artist.

MD

that was my thought about peter.
i dont think hiros friend can be classified as a hero.
i think the one that gets lost will be the kids dad, he isnt vital to the plot.

[CrplCupcakes]

WOW!

www.primatechpaper.com

Go to Jobs and use code MT36.......I wonder what this will lead to? :?
i dont get it :? someone dies of a paper cut?

[LIMEY]

WOW!

www.primatechpaper.com

Go to Jobs and use code MT36.......I wonder what this will lead to? :?
i dont get it :? someone dies of a paper cut?

primatechpaper is where Clares dad works, the web site was on the card he gave to Mohindah

[Rand{CLR}]

Maybe Peter gets too close to him, and can't control his power....... BOOM!

But of course that won't happen, because the whole show is formed around stopping it from happening. :D

I think Sylar will live to see another day. For next season reasons.

In the peview they say a Hero will be lost. who do you think it will be?? I'm thinking Maybe Hiro's friend, or the cop or the artist.

MD

that was my thought about peter.
i dont think hiros friend can be classified as a hero.
i think the one that gets lost will be the kids dad, he isnt vital to the plot.

Regarding the Hero who will be lost, it is "someone who has been with us from the VERY beginning" according to the creators. It's not going to be Micah's dad. I'm with you that Ando probably wouldn't be classified as one of the "Heroes" of the show, so he's out too. I don't remember if Matt the cop was in episode one, and I can't recall if Issac the artist was either. I think he was and that episode ended with the nuke painting reveal, but I'm not positive. So he's probably more likely than Matt (who I think came later in the season).

I hope it's Niki/Jessica. She annoys me.

-Rand

[CrplCupcakes]

WOW!

www.primatechpaper.com

Go to Jobs and use code MT36.......I wonder what this will lead to? :?
i dont get it :? someone dies of a paper cut?

primatechpaper is where Clares dad works, the web site was on the card he gave to Mohindah


ooooohh LOL

Matt is a possibility.
Nathan is expendible, although i think their setting him up for something.
Claire would definately be interesting.
Peters death is a possibility as it would solve the destruction of NYC.
I agree, they could axe Niki and I wouldn't shed a tear.

[KurlonT]

Good episode last night but dang the next one looks packed w/ goodies!

Funny seeing George Takei as Hiro's dad but he seems like a person you don't want to cross and possibly another pre-cog. Syler must have a few tricks to mask some of his abilities since all they could figure out was his telekinesis and not the others but it looks like Claire's dad is in for a big hurt... :D

Still think Matt is going to get axed as you just know he's going to snoop around Primatech while on suspension and probably run into something unpleasant.

P.S. Have to catch up on the graphic novels but the "Wireless" vid clip was very intresting.

[dirtyoldgoat]

Good episode tonight...

Very cool how Claire's mom can 'flame on' so to say...

While watching the show, I had a very evil thought about Claire's father and the possibility of it being Linderman. Might explain why Claire's mom faked her death in a fiery explosion...to throw off any of Linderman's enemies as to a possible child. Would be cool... :P

[Rand{CLR}]

Good episode tonight...

Very cool how Claire's mom can 'flame on' so to say...

While watching the show, I had a very evil thought about Claire's father and the possibility of it being Linderman. Might explain why Claire's mom faked her death in a fiery explosion...to throw off any of Linderman's enemies as to a possible child. Would be cool... :P

Anyone recognize the arm of Claire's dad? Or is he just going to be Linderman?

What the heck was the deal with the turkey timer in Sylar's head? It seems that was what kept him immobile last week, but you'd think he would have removed it and healed it before HRG came into the cell.

-Rand

[Rand{CLR}]

There hasn't been anything close to a weak episode of this show yet. Let's hope they can keep this up for a couple of seasons. So, what did we learn?

-Hiro is smarter than he acts sometimes
-Nathan likes blonds in desert areas
-Sylar is even more powerful than anyone thought, and is extremely comfortable with his powers
-Invisible Dr. Who is kind of a jerk. What we don't learn is how many powered up folks he has come across, since he has alluded to meeting several with powers similar to Peter's
-HRG knows Invisible Who
-HRG somehow magically got out of the cell. I'm not willing to bet that the Haitian let him out. I wonder what HRG's power is?
-Jessica and Parkman are about to have a show down. Can Parkman merge Nikki and Jessica or help Nikki take active control? Hm...

What we do not want to see:
-Peter kiss Claire (shades of Empire Strikes Back after you find out Luke and Leia are brother and sister)

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Well some of the questions were answered...:D

I had a hunch Nathan was Claire's real dad by that arm shot plus his fling w/ Jessica seemed like he thought she was familiar (makes sense now).

Actually surprised Sylar let Mr. Horn-Rimmed live (no Haitian to save him that time) but he must have a plan for him yet.

Good stuff...plus Sylar meeting Suresh next week...that should be interesting.

[MajorDeath]

Plus we have learned that Peter can in fact retain the powers he has absorbed. He just has to learn how.

Good stuff!!

[Rand{CLR}]

Actually surprised Sylar let Mr. Horn-Rimmed live (no Haitian to save him that time) but he must have a plan for him yet.

Think of it this way: "I'm going to leave you here now. You see, I'm off to kill your daughter and do who knows what else with her first. Then I'm going to disappear and leave you wallowing in your failure. Bye-bye."

-Rand

[CrazyFinn]

I kinda liked Hiro's sister...she needs a superpower too:)

[LIMEY]

Anyone else been doing the www.primatechpaper.com stuff?

[CrplCupcakes]

I kinda liked Hiro's sister...she needs a superpower too:)

Amen brother. It is possible look at Peter and Nathan's family. Even though I think that they are at the center of all this somehow, they show the family genetic advancement genes kinda stuff.

I would also love to see George Takei have some Badass power like Magneto. And by Magneto I mean level of power, not type of power. If there is some genetic thing behind all of this he might be very powerful to have fathered Hiro. And since he is a very successful businessman he might have some kind of power he is holding back on that helped him to reach the top.

[CrplCupcakes]

Anyone else been doing the www.primatechpaper.com stuff?


Is that a real company or is it a joke from the show? :?

[Rand{CLR}]

Wow, some cool stuff last night. Sylar's new power is just freaky scary. Matt didn't go nuts listening to Nikicas' thoughts, but it's interesting he can hear distinct personalities. Things are falling into place to get everyone to New York. Jessica is heading there now, and will probably end up either taking DL and Micah, or they figure out what is going on and try and stop her. The FBI lady will find out about Sylar's victim and call in Matt, so he'll be close. If Claire's mom does die, she may be able to force HRG to reveal Nathan's name, getting her to NYC. This one is going to happen soon I think.

Last night was episode 15. They ordered (I think) 23 episodes, giving them one more than usual. And they're going to have another hiatus last I saw. I think the two weeks that are left until the NYC Peter-bomb goes off will be almost real-time, with the next two episodes covering that. There will be one more (do not miss March 5th episode). Then a break, and then they'll start setting up for season two.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

My only complaint was the Hiro/Ando bit seems a bit forced and lengthy now. The appeal is still there but I expected their storyline to pick up some speed not get slower.

Can Sylar even be captured and held in a cell now? I know it only showed small objects that were dissolved but that would probably be enough to help him escape.

BTW check out the episode commentary section (when it works)...good info.

[Cragai]

I just wish it was on more than once a week. Damn hate waiting till the next episode. I thought claire was gonna meet nathan when she overhead how her mom was playing it out. Or at least he would have recognized her from his brothers incident. Hes got to put the peices together soon though.

[Rand{CLR}]

Wow. This episode...wow. I'm taping Heroes now since 24 is still the best show on tv, and watching it immediately after (while taping Studio 60 on another VCR). Needless to say, after I finished watching it I rewound back to Peter's scene of the day.

Watching this show is an amazing experience. I cannot recall any other show that almost literally continues to get better with EVERY episode. Even if there is only 5 minutes in a given show that is superb, it still sets a new high that makes up for any weaker storylines (Nikki/Jessica anyone?).

I wonder what they've got in mind to limit Peter's power. What he began to show tonight was a hint of his true potential. He's more powerful than all of them, perhaps too much so. There must be something in the works to restrict or have him lose his abilities for a time.

-Rand

[obscurehero]

I was going to tape one and watch the other, but I figure I'll just download it tomorrow. I still have to watch my taped galactica.

[MajorDeath]

I wonder what they've got in mind to limit Peter's power. What he began to show tonight was a hint of his true potential. He's more powerful than all of them, perhaps too much so. There must be something in the works to restrict or have him lose his abilities for a time.

-Rand

I agree Rand, Peter is becoming just a bit too Awesome, but for now it's just that..... "Awesome". It would be cool to see a showdown between him and Sylar. I hope thats what all this is eventually leading too.

MD

[KurlonT]

You got to love that cameo by Stan Lee as well...very cool.

I consider Peter and Sylar to be equals as far as abilities but the manner of how they get the powers being the real difference. Still we know from the Hatian powers can be disabled but they seem to be building up to a Peter/Sylar showdown.

It will be interesting to see the backstory of HRG and his boss since that has been a big mystery from the start.

[Rand{CLR}]

I consider Peter and Sylar to be equals as far as abilities but the manner of how they get the powers being the real difference. Still we know from the Hatian powers can be disabled but they seem to be building up to a Peter/Sylar showdown.

We haven't seen the full extent of Sylar's powers, but right now I'd give the edge to Peter if only for time stop. Invisibility would have helped, but they just gave Sylar something that completely cancels out the benefits. They can both regenerate.

Last night left it ambiguous as to whether Sylar can fly or not, but chances are he can considering how quickly he went from Texas to Virginia Beach. I suppose he could still catch a flight though, as long as he demeans himself to use his real name instead of "Sylar," who would be on the FBI watch list.

Very interesting also to see Sylar try to deal with his latest acquisition. It seems that some powers are beyond his immediate understanding and control.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

Last nights episode was the best so far and the web stuff I have been telling you guys showed that Matt Parkman, Ted (Nuke Man) and the new techno girl were going to link up. If you have not done so yet go to www.primatechpaper.com and see if you can uncover its secrets! :2thumbs:

[obscurehero]

Did you notice how the hatian didn't have an effect on Peter? He was right there shooting the stun gun at peter and he still used his powers. How's that work?

[Rand{CLR}]

Did you notice how the hatian didn't have an effect on Peter? He was right there shooting the stun gun at peter and he still used his powers. How's that work?

I watched the scene twice, so I think I have a prelim theory. He was using his powers to cloak his and HRG's presence. Just before HRG locks on to Claude, they show the view from Peter's perspective, and there is nothing there but empty space and a closed door. They would hear the door under normal circumstances, so my best guess is the Haitian was cloaking and too busy to use his powers to surpress others.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

As a side note USA Today (2/20) had a small article about Tawny Cypress (Simone) and her thoughts on getting the axe. She mentions several plot lines for Simone but in the end the writers couldn't come up w/ something to fit her in long term.

One interesting tidbit she mentions is Simone will make two more appearances with the last taking place in the two hour season finale (which will start shooting in March).

[Rand{CLR}]

As a side note USA Today (2/20) had a small article about Tawny Cypress (Simone) and her thoughts on getting the axe. She mentions several plot lines for Simone but in the end the writers couldn't come up w/ something to fit her in long term.

My wife asked me last night "so is she really dead, or what?" She read somewhere that Simone was being set up to come between Peter and Issac. I sort of had to gently explain to my wife that yes, Simone is dead, and that it sort of leads to tension when Issac admitted he was jealous of Peter then goes on to kill Simone. :twisted:

-Rand

[obscurehero]

Plausable.

Here's another kicker. If Peter is slowly gaining control of his powers, can he use the haitian's power. It makes sense. If so, Peter has one up on sylar. Not only can he render sylar powerless, he has all of sylar's power upon proximity to sylar.

Thats rediculous. As soon as he came near sylar, he had all of sylar's many stolen powers. Next time the two meet, peter will have way too many powers.

ALSO. Did peter meet the girl who could convice people? I can't remember, if he did... he also has that on sylar. The girl is dead, but he could have taken it by proximity.

[KurlonT]

Peter gains the powers by touch so there some balance to what he can do where as Sylar's methods are fatal but more indirect (unless he needs to touch the brain...not sure on that one).

Right now Sylar has the advantage as long as Suresh leads him to the others on the list. Peter is limited to those he comes into direct contact so gaining more powers will be less direct compared to Sylar. If the two meet again Peter may well absorb all of Sylar's powers but like the first time it would cause another overload for Peter.

[obscurehero]

its not touch, he just has to be near them.


the overload idea...

maybe the bomb is when he gets near sylar, can't control all of the new powers in a great huge meltdown. Eh?

[MajorDeath]

The whole Idea of Peter Exploding could very well just be a ploy to throw us all off. I was woundering what would happen if maybe Sylar got ahold of Nuklear Teds Power. In one of Isacs Paintings, the bad guy is painted as sort of a firery figure. Kind of way off base, but Peter seems to be able to control his powers quite well right now, and it wouldn't make sence if he just lost control of them, when He's finally got controll now.

Not to mention that Sylar is now showing lack of control of his most recent power. Who's to say he wouldn't have the same problem Peter has feared?

MD

[Rand{CLR}]

My theory right now is that Peter just absorbs too much. My current guess is Ted is about to go boom in a suicide, Peter sucks down all his power, burning Ted's ability out, and simply cannot control that much at once. All the times he has absorbed something, it's been either passive or with powers that seemingly aren't at full speed--Nathan wasn't going like mach 5 for example.

Either Claire or Claude will play a big role in stopping the actual explosion, but it's starting to look like they're playing out the rest of the season almost in real time, with each episode as a day. NBC ordered an extra episode, so they have 23, but they just finished number 16 and they're still weeks away from nuke day and they're going to have a short hiatus after March 5th I believe. We probably won't find out until the finale.

-Rand

EDIT: However, upon further contemplation, I like the idea of Sylar meeting Ted just before reaching NYC, a huge powers battle between Sylar and Peter, Sylar trying to go nuclear out of shear frustration, and Peter stopping that.

They're talking about ways to keep Sylar in the picture for season 2 though, so who knows.

[obscurehero]

no... everyone knows you defeat the bad guy and get a new one. haha, idk.

[LIMEY]

So who saw that twist coming? :shock:

[Rand{CLR}]

All I know is that the Haitian better hope HRG never, ever sees him again, because by removing the full truth, he is going to be out for the Haitian's blood--just enough holes left in his memory to think he was betrayed.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

No doubt on HRG and the Haitian, but what about Pappa Hiro being the boss was the shocker for me! :shock:

[KurlonT]

Interesting that Hiro's dad is practically in the same situation as HRG. I bet that is why he wanted Hiro back to the office life and drop the "I'm a hero bit" otherwise it might get out that he was protecting a hero.

BTW here is the rest of season one:

03/05/07 . . . 1.18 . . . "Meet Mr. Linderman"
03/12/07 . . . Hiatus 2 ? week 1
03/19/07 . . . Hiatus 2 ? week 2
03/26/07 . . . Hiatus 2 ? week 3
04/02/07 . . . Hiatus 2 ? week 4
04/09/07 . . . Hiatus 2 ? week 5
04/16/07 . . . 1.19
04/23/07 . . . 1.20
04/30/07 . . . 1.21
05/07/07 . . . 1.22
05/14/07 . . . 1.23 Season Finale (Two Hours)

[Rand{CLR}]

I get the feeling Hiro's dad is in denial about any ability Hiro may have, since Hiro wasn't able to demonstrate it. If he were in the same situation as HRG, he never would have let Hiro stay in the U.S.

Or, perhaps, he knew all along and has a special dispensation or because he apparently outranks HRG he has permission to keep one of "them" around.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Good stuff last night... :2thumbs:

Watching the cast commentary of "Parasite" the director suggested the idea of "power families" and how those at the top (Linderman, Hiro's dad, Nathan and Peter's mom) might lack a fancy ability but make up for it in their power to manipulate the rest to further their own goals.

The Suresh/Sylar twist was pretty cool..didn't see that one coming so fast.
So first blood goes to Sylar in the big showdown w/ Peter but with 5 more episodes you know it won't end at the apartment...:D

The illusion girl (she doesn't shape shift) seems under complete control of the "company" but I wonder if they really trust any of them now (like poor Matt). Plus HRG seems like toast unless he can give them Claire but even then he must know they will kill him anyways (maybe a deal for the family).

Things are really moving along now...but 5 weeks off... :cry:

[Rand{CLR}]

Very nice episode. Peter acquires the infamous scar early. Two paths here: future Hiro tells Hiro and Ando to teleport back to Mohinder's, or Peter starts whipping out the powers at least long enough to drive Sylar away or get him and Mohinder out.

Very surprising about Peter's mother. Too bad for HRG that he didn't get enough power to keep his kid around unlike the others.

Does NYC go boom or not? That I suppose is the big question for the finale.

The only annoying thing? The HD feed was messed up last night for the first 20 minutes, lots of ghosting. NBC switched it to the analog for about 5 minutes, then brought back HD, no problems at that point.

-Rand

[obscurehero]

Why is TV so lazy these days. Did shows used to take massive breaks before?

This is no way to keep a fan base.

[Rand{CLR}]

Why is TV so lazy these days. Did shows used to take massive breaks before?

This is no way to keep a fan base.

No to massive breaks, but what they did do was show a bunch of repeats in the middle. That's not the way to go with serialized shows that almost require constant viewing to pick up on the mythology and cross references. You'll only get to see 5 or 6 of those, and people would be more lost when it jumps ahead 15 on the return.

Granted, Heroes isn't doing it well. They need to do what 24 has begun doing, and delay the season long enough to just show it all in 22 consecutive weeks with no breaks.

-Rand

[ViTO]

Hey I gotta jump in late, I was so looking forward to this show but it went up against the " 24 ' time slot. That happens to be one of the few shows I actually watch.

After reading this thread it seems I missed the boat on this.
I will NOW set the DVR for recording and try to catch up.... Now I'm Mad :x

[KurlonT]

Yep the breaks are bummers but my guess was NBC didn't give them all those weeks at first in case the series didn't take off. Typically for first year series it seems the big networks like to give out a smaller block of episodes as a test and if the the show gets popular then they will renew for the rest of the year.

Vito you can go the Heroes site (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/) and watch all the episodes (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes_01.shtml) to catch up and I highly recommend the cast commentary ones as well.

[pigworthy]

I've just rewatched the whole season so far. Peter has been next to a couple of powers I didn't think about originally. He's been by the girl with suggestive powers and also Hiro from the future. So he can stop time and teleport also. Great episode before the break. Plus after the show down with Sylar he'll also have his new abilities. Good thing he can heal himself.

[Rand{CLR}]

BUMP

Don't forget, Heroes is back tonight!

-Rand

[LIMEY]

Looks like tonight is gonna be a biggie......DO NOT MISS IT! :2thumbs:

[Runaway_Jim]

Good episode!

I don't want to spoil anything, but looks like they are getting setup for the big bang! :shock:

Next weeks looks really good with the 'What If...' scenario.

[Rand{CLR}]

It was quite good, but it only goes to show just how good this show is that I was actually more excited about the previews for next week. That episode looks like it may be the best one of the season, which says quite a lot about Heroes.

-Rand

P.S. Both parties in the showdown this week were confirmed as DOA by the producers. Which should tell you a little more about one of them.

[KurlonT]

Yep...you can really feel the pace of the episodes getting more frantic as we approach that two hour finale.

Still vague on Linderman's plan on how the bomb going off will be a good thing but maybe the "what if" episode will clear things up. I know USA Today revealed something about how the government forms some organization in the future (prob part of the next episode) that will hunt down those w/ powers because of the bomb. Maybe he figures this will expose those who "went against helping humanity" somehow that he mentioned to Nathan when revealing the knowledge about the future.

Got to say it was pretty creepy watching Sylar paint the future towards the end and the way he did the painting even seemed to reflect his dark personality.

[Rand{CLR}]

Got to say it was pretty creepy watching Sylar paint the future towards the end and the way he did the painting even seemed to reflect his dark personality.

That's a good perspective; my own thoughts were it takes him a little time to master powers (see "super hearing"), and that he just isn't painting well yet. Unlike Peter who seems to have subconscious mastery immediately.

But my bigger question is this: was that still Nathan in the White House...or was that SYLAR? The style was so radically different it looked at the very least like Bizarro Nathan. Whoever it was looked far darker and more ominous--though again, Nathan's words in the preview makes him look flat out dangerous.

Next week's episode is called "String Theory." The future is not absolute. So it could well be that Sylar was painting himself in the White House in a possible alternate future.

-Rand

[KurlonT]

Yep and reading the latest graphic novel one might wonder if future Hiro realizes in his attempt to stop the bomb (by messing w/ Sylar's timeline) it might change more than even he can attempt to fix. Interesting that in the original timeline Sylar is the bomb (which means at some point he kills Ted) and it's Hiro who attempts to stop him w/ the sword but by then Claire's powers were already taken.

Just finished all the novels and the "War Buddies" parts fills in a ton of good background info:
*Linderman and Petrelli dad part of a special ops squad in Vietnam and explains the rational behind Linderman need for the bomb to happen.
*Linderman rigging the election for Nathan which I assume why Micah is needed since Wireless (Hanna) is trying to stop it.
*Wireless and HRG connection.

[Rand{CLR}]

This week's issue of the novel is HUGE. I can only assume we would have found out about Sylar in the upcoming episode anyway; otherwise they may have circumvented 3-4 episodes to reveal that little nugget.

So, we've got Hana trying to stop the election rig, Linderman setting up Micah to rig it, Sylar, Peter, or Ted going boom (or not), Peter or Hiro trying to stop it, and about a dozen strings that could go down from here. It's going to be a very interesting set of episodes.

I hope someone kills that shape-shifter lady though. She needs it.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

I hope someone kills that shape-shifter lady though. She needs it.

-Rand

Just hope it is not Sylar, him with that ability is not good at all!

[Rand{CLR}]

How utterly cool and badass was this episode? Man, all sorts of great stuff going down tonight. Nice twist at around the 40 minute mark, jaw-dropping.

I don't want to go into too much detail in case people taped it, but watch it and let's discuss tomorrow or something.

-Rand

[MajorDeath]

Nice twist at around the 40 minute mark, jaw-dropping.

I'll have to admit, I didn't see that coming either. Awsome episode all around, and some more things answered as well. Can't wait for the Final show!

MD

[KurlonT]

How utterly cool and badass was this episode?
+1

Lot's of good twists but I guess they can pull out all the stops since it's in the "what if" future. The end was pretty cool especially when Sylar and Peter square off in the hallway...don't think much was standing after that one.

So just to keep things straight...Nathan used Sylar as the scapegoat for cause of the bomb to cover Peter's involvement which indirectly threw off future Hiro's quest to stop it because he had the wrong guy for his timeline model...:crazy:

[Rand{CLR}]

We need to turn this into a spoiler thread. I just learned something today and it raises an interesting theory, but we're not flagged for spoilers. :(

-Rand

[Minerva]

I've never read these posts because I had no idea what it was. Today I just saw that Tv3 station (the catalan one) will start showing "herois" (this is what is called in catalan) May the 2nd. I think I will watch it just to see what you are talking about :)

[Runaway_Jim]

You ever wonder how Nathan keeps his hair looking 'President' like after flying at 200mph? Or does he get 'flat face' while flying that fast?

:?

[Rand{CLR}]

You ever wonder how Nathan keeps his hair looking 'President' like after flying at 200mph? Or does he get 'flat face' while flying that fast?

:?

He's actually going supersonic; he's made sonic booms before. I assume cool hair is a minor power he happens to possess.

-Rand

[obscurehero]

I hope someone kills that shape-shifter lady though. She needs it.

-Rand

Just hope it is not Sylar, him with that ability is not good at all!

if you only knew how prophetic you were...

:2thumbs: Nice Call!

[LIMEY]

WOW! 2 weeks left and tonight was a great episode!!!!!! What is Matriarc Petrelli's power??????

[Rand{CLR}]

SPECULATION

The following thoughts are mine; I have not seen any of this on any sort of spoiler page (except for the fact that a bomb of some sort does go off--no big surprise), so it's all speculation.

1. We learned the full extent of Candice's power last night: she can make anyone see what she wants them to, not just alter her form.

2. She was pleased at Linderman's comments on why she was really in NYC.

3. Therefore, Candice uses her ability to make everyone see SYLAR when they look at PETER. Part of Linderman's master plan. This eliminates any real need for Sylar to get Ted's power right away, though it is still possible Sylar takes Candice's power early and uses it to mask Peter's appearance. This explains how Sylar survived--in this situation, he doesn't even need to kill Claire in the next two episodes.

4. This also explains why "Sylar" regenerated when Hiro stabs him: it's really Peter.

5. Claire's role revealed: she gets to Nathan somehow, and makes him realize what he's about to do is wrong, thereby saving the world.

6. Nathan picks up Peter/Sylar, and flies him out as far over the Atlantic as he can. The Peter-bomb goes boom, and Nathan dies.

Seems pretty valid, what do you think?

I would almost prefer it to be Sylar in fact; that means he has to get Ted, and the preview for next week in TV Guide states that Peter and Ted try to get out of the city before the bomb date; leaves open a possibility of a true Sylar-Peter throw-down, with full effects and actually showing us stuff instead of the endless teases.

-Rand

[LIMEY]

Rand I think you are right on Hiro stabbing who he sees as Syler and it being Peter. :2thumbs:

[KurlonT]

We learned the full extent of Candice's power last night: she can make anyone see what she wants them to, not just alter her form.

I think in one of the cast commentaries the writer described her power as the ability to create illusions that can effect her form as well as environment around her.

This also explains why "Sylar" regenerated when Hiro stabs him: it's really Peter.

I could see this happening from Candice (as part of Linderman's cover up plan for Nathan) or Sylar (to make sure the paintings comes true where he is President). Sylar knows he's part of the future and probably wants the bomb to happen especially after the events of visiting his mom.

Claire's role revealed: she gets to Nathan somehow, and makes him realize what he's about to do is wrong, thereby saving the world.

I thought Nathan was convinced she is going to Paris during the election? Wonder if he finds out she never went but is actually in NYC when the bomb is supposed to go off. Also Claire is the only one that could get to Peter and survive the radiation.

[lilfoo]

piecing together the book from Ep 20 "Five Years gone" along with the hiro in japan issue + the the other effects hiro has seen from "Six months ago" + the paintings linderman has (2-3 have been in the background not the focus) and syler/peter made you can piece together the plot. cant wait for the end

i cant go into detail about how everything thing will piece together(not a spoiler thread) but i think "Five years gone" will make a great base for second season

[MajorDeath]

I like Rands prediction. It would explain why even after Clair was saved, Syler remained alive in the Future episode. They messed that one up a bit IMO. When young Hiro went there, the future should have allready been changed. He went there after Clair was saved from Syler. So If it was Syler Hiro Stabbed, then He should have been dead, Unless of course it was just someone that just looked like him. Furture Hiro should have had no memory of Clair having ever died.

Also can someone explain to me why with Regenerative powers, Peter still has a scar on his face in the future episode??

[Rand{CLR}]

Also can someone explain to me why with Regenerative powers, Peter still has a scar on his face in the future episode??

It looks like a blade scar. Under my scenario, Hiro slices him in addition to stabbing him, and the blade does have power. The only problem is...the bomb went off because "Sylar" regenerated--so why not regen the face too?

So that doesn't work.

So in essense, excellent question, and I was trying to figure that one out after that episode too. Never did find a good answer.

-Rand

[CrplCupcakes]

Excellent episode tonight, it's so sad that the season is almost over :( although I can't wait to see what happens next week. Hopefully they don't "to be continued" until next season.
They made a reference to George Takei's character possibly being involved in the group of past "heroes" that Linderman talked about a few episodes ago with Nathen, if so what is Takei's power? Did I miss it, or has it not come out of the box yet?
Tonight Linderman expressed that Nathan and Peter's father had a power, although it was not said what it might be. In this case Peter might have leeched his father's power previously.
Syler can draw the future now and his future still shows the explosion even though they saved the cheerleader.
Future Hiro told Present Hiro that Ando died in the bomb, not in a confrontation with Syler, so there is still more out of this.
What happens to Nathen Between the bomb and five years in the future?

[LIMEY]

Excellent episode tonight, it's so sad that the season is almost over :( although I can't wait to see what happens next week. Hopefully they don't "to be continued" until next season.
They made a reference to George Takei's character possibly being involved in the group of past "heroes" that Linderman talked about a few episodes ago with Nathen, if so what is Takei's power? Did I miss it, or has it not come out of the box yet?
Tonight Linderman expressed that Nathan and Peter's father had a power, although it was not said what it might be. In this case Peter might have leeched his father's power previously.
Syler can draw the future now and his future still shows the explosion even though they saved the cheerleader.
Future Hiro told Present Hiro that Ando died in the bomb, not in a confrontation with Syler, so there is still more out of this.
What happens to Nathen Between the bomb and five years in the future?


Remember the 5 years in the future episode is a what if episode, so it is all up in the air.

[Runaway_Jim]

Good episode last night.

I wouldn't be surpised if they go back in time next season to cover the core 'Heros' of the past and show why they went their separate ways. I think that Hiro's dad was truely a good guy and tried to help the world while Linderburg (sp?) used his power for his own personal gain.

Best line from last night's episode:

"Didn't I throw you out a window?"
:D

[BKnight3]

I loved last nights episode. Good plot, swordfighting, and some very cool brain reducing deaths. A summary execution, Sylar gets a nice lil bowl of brains, and DL with the awesome "fist in skull" fatality.

[KurlonT]

I wouldn't be surpised if they go back in time next season to cover the core 'Heros' of the past and show why they went their separate ways.

This has been mentioned as a possible plotline for Season 2 called "Heroes Generations". Plus George Takei mentions this as well in the cast commentaries for the "Landslide" episode. I suspect Nathan/Peters father just didn't "give up" as Linderman suggested but was killed instead for his belief on how the help the world.

Syler can draw the future now and his future still shows the explosion even though they saved the cheerleader.
Future Hiro told Present Hiro that Ando died in the bomb, not in a confrontation with Syler, so there is still more out of this.

"Five Years Gone" and "String Theory" tells the story of a possible timeline but it's hard to say what events will still hold true. We only know of two instances that Future Hiro tried to stop the bomb (#1 Stab Sylar and #2 Save Claire) but there could be more and this could easily have unforseen effects on the future after each attempt.

Excellent episode tonight, it's so sad that the season is almost over
+1

[CrplCupcakes]

Syler can draw the future now and his future still shows the explosion even though they saved the cheerleader.
Future Hiro told Present Hiro that Ando died in the bomb, not in a confrontation with Syler, so there is still more out of this.


"Five Years Gone" and "String Theory" tells the story of a possible timeline but it's hard to say what events will still hold true. We only know of two instances that Future Hiro tried to stop the bomb (#1 Stab Sylar and #2 Save Claire) but there could be more and this could easily have unforseen effects on the future after each attempt.

This is my point:
When Hiro went to the future it was after Peter "saved the cheerleader". So Hiros future should not be a future where Claire was murdered, unless it hadn't happened yet. According to their future Clair still dies. Maybe they thought they had saved her, but the confrontation at Claire's school might not have been the actual instance of Claire's death.
Time has past since Hiro and Ando went to the future, so it is possible that their confrontation with Future Hiro could change Ando's path I guess.
But my point is that they seem to be trying to stay on line with theoretical physics on timelines, assuming they put the thought necessary to do so.
Unless something has changed, Sylar, who can paint the future now, still sees the bomb going off.
Future Hiro Still sees Claire's death.
So if the physics are accurate, nothing has actually changed as of last week, which is when I believe that Sylar still saw the bomb going off. If nothing has changed since two weeks ago, when Sylar was still alive and well in the future, he still must get Claire's power to be to survive the explosion. Assuming the physics are accurate.
So far Horoes has done an exemplary job of making sense. They have obviously put tremendous thought into their writing. Check out the message boards on NBC.com from a while back and it is amazing how well they have done keeping things making sense, which can't be easy with the type of show it is.
There are also two people who have or have had powers that have not been exposed that could have a serious impact on next weeks episode. Hiro's father, the cool ass George Takei, and Peter and Nathan's father, whom is dead, but if they didn't tell us what his power is they might be saving it for next week in a surprise that Peter had leeched it before his father's death.
Another possibility is Mrs. Patrelli. She was obviously associated with Pater and Nathan's father, but she is also associated with Linderman. It is very possible that she was part of the "Justice League" of the past. So she might be a badass also.

[CrplCupcakes]

A little more thought on the "cheerleader" situation.
I know that Isaac painted the death of Claire, and Peter stopped this from happening. But if the future still shows Claires death it can simply be explained as Sylar goes after her again. We know that he was hot on their trail last night before he stole the Nuke power. He was around long anough to know what Claire and Peter were planning to do. It isn't a stretch for him to meet back up with them and attempt to steal Claire's power again.

As far as a possible timeline, assuming that they are staying accurate, the future that Hiro and Ando witnessed should be a representation of the exact moment and the events that led up to the exact moment they left the present.
Sylar's vision of the future, the bomb going off in NY two weeks ago, should be a representation of the exact moment and what led up to the exact moment of his vision.
In order for the bomb to not go off something has to change that hasn't changed yet. There has to be more than Hiro killing Sylar. Like I said above the cheerleader might still be in danger.
Since Sylar saw the bomb going off in NY after Hiro and Ando came back from the future means that the confrontation with Future Hiro can't be enough to change the future, hypothetically.

[lilfoo]

Let me point you to this fact at the moment.

Hiro and Ando have been separate from the others for the entire season only meeting Isaac. to them, only going on the episodes, the cheerleader is dead but Clair is alive while her friend is not. this mix up could lead him to where he was in 5 years gone. also proves why Clair is alive in the future her dad would never say she was not dead.

also where has it that the future has been changed? Hiro has never changed the future with the exception of the one picture. well the future Issac has painted.

[CrplCupcakes]

The reason that the "save the cheerleader, save the world" thing came into play was that Future Hiro tried to kill Sylar but he couldn't because Sylar had taken Claire's regeneration power, so the sword was ineffective. This was cleared up in the future episede a couple of weeks ago.

[LIMEY]

Cupcakes the "cheerleader" that future Hiro was referring to was not Claire but the other cheerleader whom Sylar did actually kill.

[{CLR} Naillik]

this seems interesting...
Maybe I should watch it sometimes.
Time & station anyone?

[CrplCupcakes]

FUTURE HIRO: (in English) Save the cheerleader ...

HIRO: -- Save the world! You visited Peter Petrelli with this message.

FUTURE HIRO: Yes, did he do it? Did Peter save her?

HIRO: Yes, he did.

(Future Hiro closes his eyes with satisfaction. He nods.)

FUTURE HIRO: Claire is still alive. Which means Sylar never took her power. (to Hiro) Which means you were able to kill him, right?

FUTURE HIRO: (subtitled) This is the moment you kill him ... on the day after the election. I stabbed him, but he regenerated.

ANDO: Because he had the cheerleader's power.

FUTURE HIRO: (subtitled) Exactly. (to Hiro) But if Peter saved her ... Sylar can now be killed.

FUTURE HIRO: Five years ago, I asked Peter to save Claire from Sylar at Homecoming. My friend tells me he did it. Claire's alive. Isn't she?

And the fact that Claire was alive in the same future that Sylar was supposed to had blew up NY only raises more questions. She can't be there if she was the reason they couldn't kill Sylar. So there must be something else. Something must aide Sylar in destroying NY, and it isn't Claire. They might have assumed that he go the power from Claire, maybe he got it somewhere else.

Heroes is on NBC mondays at 9:00 EST:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/
They have full episodes on that URL starting with episode one. Warining, it's addictive. :D

[KurlonT]

Check out the graphic novels and cast commentaries for extra info too.

She can't be there if she was the reason they couldn't kill Sylar. So there must be something else. Something must aide Sylar in destroying NY, and it isn't Claire. They might have assumed that he go the power from Claire, maybe he got it somewhere else.

We know Parkman and HRG shot at him and in addition to once in the graphic novel so unless he stopped all the bullets w/ his telekinesis there could be another power he took that was never revealed that seems like regeneration.

BTW check out the Canadian Promo for the Season Finale...good stuff.

[CrplCupcakes]

I just watched that part of the episode and the transcript is correct, Future Hiro was refering to Claire, who was still alive and hiding in the future. So she must not be the reason that Future Hiro couldn't kill Sylar.

[CrplCupcakes]

Another thought.
I am not sure as it has been a while since the homecoming episode but:
In the Homecoming episode the poser cheerleader was murdered by Sylar.
Hiro and Ando have been doing their own thing like Limey mentioned not knowing the fate of the cheerleader or Claire.
Claire goes into hiding for five years with noone but her adoped father knowing her fate.
When Future Hiro looks back to see when things went wrong he sees:
That he couldn't kill sylar.
If you look at the timeline that Future Hiro created, you see a picture of Claire, a newspaper clip of the trainwreck, and if he thought that the murder of the poser cheerleader was Claire..........
Remember that the poser cheerleader took credit for Claires handiwork.

I think it was a wrong assumption on Future Hiro's part due to lack of information. I don't think Claire is at the canter of this. Sylar gets the power from somewhere else.

[CrplCupcakes]

BTW check out the Canadian Promo for the Season Finale...good stuff.

Where?

Ok, found it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=si9T0GlrOyw

[KurlonT]

Here's more background links to Heroes for those new to the show...all very interesting:

9th Wonders Comics: http://www.9thwonders.com
Primatech Paper: http://www.primatechpaper.com/
Hana Gitelman: http://www.samantha48616e61.com/
Linderman's Casino: http://www.corinthianlasvegas.com
Mohinder's site: http://www.activatingevolution.org/index.shtml
Nathan's campaign site: http://www.votepetrelli.com/

Also each graphic novel will contain a hidden link to pics or another background site.

[Rand{CLR}]

My theory on how the explosion plays out is still valid at this point, and may be slightly stronger after Hiro came across Nathan last night, to tell him that Nathan becomes a very bad man in the future. It has to be weighing on his mind, which is already in a bit of turmoil.

BTW, what happened to Wireless' attempt to stop the election fraud? The graphic novels don't cover it, and the show certainly doesn't, but we know if she made an attempt (and the events of the graphic novel didn't supercede her intent to stop the election), it failed.

-Rand

[{CLR} Naillik]

Hello? whens it on?

[CrplCupcakes]

[quote]
Heroes is on NBC mondays at 9:00 EST:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/
They have full episodes on that URL starting with episode one. Warining, it's addictive. :D

[{CLR} Naillik]

oooohhh
Mondays, NBC, 9
got it. :D

[KurlonT]

More info on the spinoff for Heroes:

'Heroes' Expands Universe with 'Origins' (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C105572%7C1%7C,00.html)

The network has hit upon a way to keep the show repeat for nearly the entire season, ordering more episodes of the show and embarking on a quasi-spinoff called "Heroes: Origins." Combined, the shows will account for 30 original episodes next season.

The "Origins" series will consist of six stand-alone episodes, with each one introducing a new character and telling his or her back story. They'll take place within the "Heroes" universe but won't be tied into the main arc of the series, although one or two regular characters may pop up.
It will also carry an interactive element: After all six "Origins" episodes air, viewers will be able to vote on which character joins the main show the following season

[lilfoo]

remember Sylar said at the end of the time travel that he was not the one that blew up and Nathan admitted to Nikki that he blew up.

i still think Sylar gets the "see what i want you to" lady's power and makes Nathan look like Sylar. Nathan has Clair's power

[Rand{CLR}]

remember Sylar said at the end of the time travel that he was not the one that blew up and Nathan admitted to Nikki that he blew up.

i still think Sylar gets the "see what i want you to" lady's power and makes Nathan look like Sylar. Nathan has Clair's power

Peter. PETER. Nathan flies, Peter absorbs. :twisted:

-Rand

[Rand{CLR}]

Don't forget: someone goes "Boom" tonight. Season finale, be there or be lame. :P

-Rand

[LIMEY]

I cant wait to watch it tonight!

[MajorDeath]

I'll be there!! :P

MD

[CrplCupcakes]

:D I'm making popcorn.
Real popcorn, on the stove, not that crap out of the hot air popper or microwave.

[MajorDeath]

That was good stuff!

[Rand{CLR}]

SPECULATION

The following thoughts are mine; I have not seen any of this on any sort of spoiler page (except for the fact that a bomb of some sort does go off--no big surprise), so it's all speculation.

1. We learned the full extent of Candice's power last night: she can make anyone see what she wants them to, not just alter her form.

2. She was pleased at Linderman's comments on why she was really in NYC.

3. Therefore, Candice uses her ability to make everyone see SYLAR when they look at PETER. Part of Linderman's master plan. This eliminates any real need for Sylar to get Ted's power right away, though it is still possible Sylar takes Candice's power early and uses it to mask Peter's appearance. This explains how Sylar survived--in this situation, he doesn't even need to kill Claire in the next two episodes.

4. This also explains why "Sylar" regenerated when Hiro stabs him: it's really Peter.

5. Claire's role revealed: she gets to Nathan somehow, and makes him realize what he's about to do is wrong, thereby saving the world.

6. Nathan picks up Peter/Sylar, and flies him out as far over the Atlantic as he can. The Peter-bomb goes boom, and Nathan dies.

Seems pretty valid, what do you think?

Well, I got some of it right. :twisted:

Excellent stuff. The only downside is NO PETER/SYLAR THROWDOWN! AGAIN! Punching Sylar around a bit doesn't count, though it's nice to see Niki finally, FINALLY do something useful the past two episodes. The plus side is, both Peter and Sylar survived the night. That, plus the shear number of first run trailers for summer blockbusters all episode long, plus extra money spent on Samurai, plus having a skilled Industrial Light and Magic employee on staff (Hiro--Masi Oka in real life works/ed for them), suggests a possibility NBC will put down some cash to give us the big showdown at some unspecified point in the future, full powers and all.

Now, off to watch hour 24 of Day 6. :2thumbs:

-Rand

[CrplCupcakes]

Very satisfying.
I was kinda hoping to see mr. Nakamura, mrs. Patrelli, or the deceased mr Patrelli unleashed. But ya have to save some stuff for next season. Maybe they will hit on the former band of heroes.

[LIMEY]

Great episode with so many new questions, thank gawd they will be doing 6 chose your hero episodes over the summer to tide me over till volume 2! Which should be interesting!

Also they have certainly given the idea of several heroes dying or not dying, when you have not seen anyone of them die in this episode, they could all easily be back, clever writing...... :2thumbs:

[Runaway_Jim]

I felt let down. :(

Where was the big throw down? The only 'good' Hero that did any fighting was Niki + Meter post FTW. Seems to me that the good Heros need to grow a pair. I was really hoping that Peter would control himself... showing that he was beginning to have more control of his powers.

The other thing that bothered me was that Sylar got away somehow. I mean he is lying there 'dead' and then the next scene -after- all the paramedics and police arrive is of the bloody trail he left as he escaped into the sewers. Come on! If I was a good guy, I would have gone over and MADE SURE he was dead! I guess I was hoping they would retire Sylar since they hinted about the next bad guy when Molly spoke about him. (Sorta sounded like it might be Sauron. :) )

But I did like Hiro's escape to samurai land! Next season looks good! :2thumbs:

[CrplCupcakes]

I felt let down. :(

Where was the big throw down? The only 'good' Hero that did any fighting was Niki + Meter post FTW. Seems to me that the good Heros need to grow a pair. I was really hoping that Peter would control himself... showing that he was beginning to have more control of his powers.

The other thing that bothered me was that Sylar got away somehow. I mean he is lying there 'dead' and then the next scene -after- all the paramedics and police arrive is of the bloody trail he left as he escaped into the sewers. Come on! If I was a good guy, I would have gone over and MADE SURE he was dead! I guess I was hoping they would retire Sylar since they hinted about the next bad guy when Molly spoke about him. (Sorta sounded like it might be Sauron. :) )

But I did like Hiro's escape to samurai land! Next season looks good! :2thumbs:

I noticed that about Peter. However him not getting control over his powers gives something for following seasons.
I did think that Sylar was going to die though, but hey watcha gonna do? I was waiting for the katana thrust in his chest followed by a swift decapitation. But I guess Hiro didn't have enough time for proper training. I think that I am glad that he did survive in a way. Sylar is such a great bad guy. And with the way his powers are the possibilities are endless, not to mention he's a hard act to follow.
I did like how the heroes kinda converged at the end to help take care of Sylar. I am personally gald that they are still in their infancy as far as power control goes. If they had mastered their powers this season what the heck would they do in the seasons to follow. The show seems to be about their progress as people, not how badass they are, even though some are.
The ending rocked!!!! Hiro in seventeenth century Japan, sweet. I guess it's time for a history lesson about Takezo Kensai. This should be interesting. Maybe we will learn more about the symbol "Godsend / Great Talent".
Anyway, if anyone gets more info on the new spinoff please post.

[KurlonT]

Just a few Heroes updates:

Season 2: Generations begins September 24, 2007...8)

Heroes Season 1 DVD/HD-DVD (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/heroes.html)
Universal Home Video has sent over very early details on the first season of Heroes which stars Hayden Panettiere. This Tim Kring created series will be available to own from the 28th August, and should retail at around $59.98. The seven-disc package will include all 23 episodes - presented in 1.78:1 anamorphic widescreen, along with English Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks. Extras will include the original 73 minute un-aired pilot episode with optional commentary by creator Tim Kring, 50 deleted and extended scenes, a making of featurette, a special effects featurette, a featurette on the score, a profile of artist Tim Saleand, and a stunts featurette. A HD DVD release will also be available for $99.98. This will include all of the above, along with additional material (PIP video commentaries, a Genetic Abilities test, and much more).

Not sure if the price will change but Amazon has the pre-order for the DVD@$38.99 and the HD-DVD@$69.95 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-1660308-8645433?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Heroes&Go.x=8&Go.y=11).

NBC & Nissan Anounce Heroes Marketing Program (http://www.superherohype.com/news/heroesnews.php?id=5854)
In this one-of-a-kind deal, Nissan will use "Heroes" as the central hub of a multi-pronged marketing campaign for the launch of its new crossover vehicle, the Nissan Rogue. The campaign will kick off on the night of the "Heroes" season premiere, which will be exclusively sponsored by Nissan and broadcast with limited commercial interruption. To further enhance the viewer connection to the Rogue, the vehicle will be integrated into the premiere episode and driven by a main character.

Nissan will also roadblock the full episode of "Heroes" on NBC Rewind for 24 hours after the show's on-air premiere, marking the first time an advertiser has executed this type of program on NBC Rewind. In addition to more traditional advertising opportunities both on-air and online, the Nissan Rogue campaign also includes sponsorship of numerous unique off channel platforms including a "Heroes" music video and the season one DVD release. Nissan Rogue will also be involved in NBC's wireless platforms and will sponsor the Heroes 360 WAP sites.

BTW they are still putting up new Interactive Novels each week during the summer.

[Ghost_Rain]

That great to hear mte i thing we have 4 more episode here in the uk of heros

[KurlonT]

Almost time for Season 2!

Some info on the first episode of Season 2:

"HEROES"
"FOUR MONTHS LATER..."

09/24/2007 (09:00PM - 10:00PM) (Monday) : AS THE EMMY-NOMINATED "HEROES" RETURNS, THE EXTRAORDINARY STRIVE TO BE ORDINARY FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE EXPLOSIVE EVENTS IN NEW YORK, BUT DEADLY NEW THREATS LOOM AS BRAND-NEW INDIVIDUALS WITH ABILITIES EMERGE WORLDWIDE -- WRITTEN BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER/CREATOR TIM KRING AND DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER GREG BEEMAN

As the second volume of "Heroes" begins, the fates of Peter (Milo Ventimiglia), Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) and Matt (Greg Grunberg) are revealed, following the horrible showdown with Sylar (Zachary Quinto) and Peter's uncontrolled nuclear detonation miles above New York City. As everyone attempts to move on, a new sinister force begins stalking and murdering Heroes. With the family hiding in Southern California, H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) and Claire (Hayden Panettiere) attempt to live as inconspicuously as possible?which proves to be easier said than done. Meanwhile, after landing in feudal Japan, Hiro (Masi Oka) meets his hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders). Twins Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro Herrera (Shalim Ortiz) hope to make the crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, in hopes of finding help with their deadly abilities.

Dana Davis, Noah Gray-Cabey, James Kyson Lee, Ali Larter, Sendhil Ramamurthy also star. Nick D'Agosto, Lyndsy Fonseca, Cristine Rose, Barry Shabaka Henley, George Takei, Eriko Tamura and Adair Tishler guest star.

[Rand{CLR}]

We should start a new Season 2 thread so we're fresh and ready to go. Maybe mark it a spoiler thread just in case we start talking about episodes some haven't seen yet.

-Rand

[juneau]

I can't wait for season 2. Just a pity we're about 8 episodes into season 1 here. :pissed: Thank god for R1 dvds. :D

[Slaughter]

Normally I don't watch regular TV so I just got into the show since the DVDs came out, but it is very cool. I've watched the DVDs twice. Can't wait for the new season.

[KurlonT]

We should start a new Season 2 thread so we're fresh and ready to go. Maybe mark it a spoiler thread just in case we start talking about episodes some haven't seen yet.

I'm up for that since the current thread is getting really long with just Season 1.

[TheSilentAssassin]

"SAVE THE CHEERLEADER, SAVE THE WORLD!"

should say enough;)

+1

[MajorDeath]

Started a season 2 thread. :D

MD